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Another Agency to Watch? Re: Dodgy Agencies.

Tue, 25 Sept 2007, 09:46 am
Labrug35 posts in thread

This was mailled to me although I believe the person actually meant to post a forum article instead. I repost here;

Subject: Dodgy Agencies
Date: Tue, 25/09/2007 - 07:13

Since were all discussing the topic of dodgy agenciesi. Brisbane is just as bad. I am with NATALIE HALL AGENCY. Supposedly they are the best, yet im really starting to wonder if they are, they send you out on jobs (no problem) but they take LOOOOOOOOOOONG to pay up to 6 MONTHS!! their main excuse is that the production companies they are dealing with have not paid them. I have been advised by MEAA that this is often an excuse to stretch payment. I often see other Natalie Hall Members when out on jobs and they often complain of the same thing. They demand you to be at the job pronto but yet when it comes to paying you, they all of a sudden dont want to know you. They dont charge you an upfront fee but the they take 20 percent commission plus ADMINISTRATION FEES! plus less tax ON EVERY JOB, so by the time you work it out its often not worth doing. Another thing this agency does is give different people different rates of payment. We all do the same job yet some people get paid less and others get paid more. They often change their rates of payment, i hear from other members that they do this if they think you are desperate to be on anything, they suss you out. Sometimes its $20 an hour sometimes its $40 an hour. I find them to be very tricky. Does anybody else have this problem? If so let me know on this forum.

My question is

1. Is this normal practice for Agencies?
2. How long does it take for Payment?
3. Do Production Companies REALLY delay paying Agencies hence they cannot pay you up to 6months?
4. What is the normal rate for extras work, feature work etc.?

Take Care Everyone!
she74

Thank you She74. Most agencies that I know of, try to do the best for their clients (you). Production companies do sometimes "stretch" things out. Sometimes their reasons are legit, sometimes not. Sometimes Agencies tend to drag things out also. The commission is to PAY for the administrative costs. I personally question this as an additional cost.

If this is a regular occurance, then I would tend to think that the agency itself is dragging their heels. If there are others that you know of making the same complaint, then maybe you should band together. If you are members of the MEAA, then as a group, you may be able to bring industrial action against the agency or production company. I would suggest getting further advice from them. They can only help you if you are members though.

Final option, if you are completely unhappy with you select agency, fire then. Get you money out of them and fine someone else. Remember, you are hiring the agency to find work for you.

As for what is the rates, check here - select the most appropriate area and read the PDF. This will give you minimum industry rates.

All the best - Jeff.

I hate to disagree - yes,

Tue, 9 Oct 2007, 02:13 pm
I hate to disagree - yes, of course, no one should be paid after a long amount of time. But the fact of the matter is this industry IS different. In other businesses, they can produce something and then sell it - each product is priced according to the cost of making it. But a film, performance, or TV show (even modelling) does not work work that way. You must first make the product, then hope someone buys it. You can not predict how much money you will make, nor if you will be able to make back the money you spent making it in the first place. Think of it as selling a product on commission - like in the real estate business. You only get paid once you sell the property - because otherwise your employer (the estate agency) does not earn the money to pay you. I don't believe it's a good thing, nor am I promoting or advocating it, but what you have to understand is that sometimes, yes... people have to get paid before they can pay their actors/models. And that can take time. It's not about paying themselves first, or paying their bills first, or paying their employees first - it's about selling their product first, in order to do all those other things. I 'hire' people in for theatre performances on the basis of 'profit-share'; people know that they will be committing time and resources to a show that a) might not make money, and b) might make money, but not enough to pay them for their time. This is an understood agreement, and actors don't harass me for payment, because they know that I often have to receive payment from my bookings agent, and then balance the books. That can take up to a month, while the bookings agent balances their books, and then passes on my money. I'm just saying, there's a lot of processes involved in obtaining your earnings, and sometimes it can be a while before you see it. I think actually, the issue is not just that it takes a while, but that there is a clear case of not communicating what's happening with people's pay and why it's taking so long. Sticky Apple Legs www.freewebs.com/stickyapplelegs Puppets in Melbourne www.thepromptcopy.com/pip My puppets www.collectzing.com/collection/137/

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