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Another Agency to Watch? Re: Dodgy Agencies.

Tue, 25 Sept 2007, 09:46 am
Labrug35 posts in thread

This was mailled to me although I believe the person actually meant to post a forum article instead. I repost here;

Subject: Dodgy Agencies
Date: Tue, 25/09/2007 - 07:13

Since were all discussing the topic of dodgy agenciesi. Brisbane is just as bad. I am with NATALIE HALL AGENCY. Supposedly they are the best, yet im really starting to wonder if they are, they send you out on jobs (no problem) but they take LOOOOOOOOOOONG to pay up to 6 MONTHS!! their main excuse is that the production companies they are dealing with have not paid them. I have been advised by MEAA that this is often an excuse to stretch payment. I often see other Natalie Hall Members when out on jobs and they often complain of the same thing. They demand you to be at the job pronto but yet when it comes to paying you, they all of a sudden dont want to know you. They dont charge you an upfront fee but the they take 20 percent commission plus ADMINISTRATION FEES! plus less tax ON EVERY JOB, so by the time you work it out its often not worth doing. Another thing this agency does is give different people different rates of payment. We all do the same job yet some people get paid less and others get paid more. They often change their rates of payment, i hear from other members that they do this if they think you are desperate to be on anything, they suss you out. Sometimes its $20 an hour sometimes its $40 an hour. I find them to be very tricky. Does anybody else have this problem? If so let me know on this forum.

My question is

1. Is this normal practice for Agencies?
2. How long does it take for Payment?
3. Do Production Companies REALLY delay paying Agencies hence they cannot pay you up to 6months?
4. What is the normal rate for extras work, feature work etc.?

Take Care Everyone!
she74

Thank you She74. Most agencies that I know of, try to do the best for their clients (you). Production companies do sometimes "stretch" things out. Sometimes their reasons are legit, sometimes not. Sometimes Agencies tend to drag things out also. The commission is to PAY for the administrative costs. I personally question this as an additional cost.

If this is a regular occurance, then I would tend to think that the agency itself is dragging their heels. If there are others that you know of making the same complaint, then maybe you should band together. If you are members of the MEAA, then as a group, you may be able to bring industrial action against the agency or production company. I would suggest getting further advice from them. They can only help you if you are members though.

Final option, if you are completely unhappy with you select agency, fire then. Get you money out of them and fine someone else. Remember, you are hiring the agency to find work for you.

As for what is the rates, check here - select the most appropriate area and read the PDF. This will give you minimum industry rates.

All the best - Jeff.

Comment on Natalie Hall Response to she74

Tue, 9 Oct 2007, 12:04 pm
Walter Plinge
It is interesting that you have found the time to respond to what you clearly see as highly unjust and unfair comments by she74. This is just one negative comment. Why respond? Why not put your time and energy into building those professional working relationships, which you claim are so important to you? Could it be that you are perhaps not as approachable and open to contact and honest communication as you say? Seems you are not too busy to respond to one negative posting but when I emailed you directly to praise you for your work during the making of the Boots commercial on the Gold Coast recently, you could not even extend me the courtesy of a simple and quick reply. You even did yourself out of money because I told you in my email that I was interested in doing some of the courses you offer so that I might do more extra work in the future. I was one of those "volunteer extras" who answered your advertisement in the Sunday Mail. What a fool I made of myself! I was a complete newcomer when I turned up for the shoot on that very early morning on Wednesday 2 May 2007. The two days on the beach were great fun. No regrets there. What I do regret is filling out the tax declaration given to all volunteers on the second day. It was from that point on that my dealings with you went down hill. From receiving a Payment Summary from the production company before I had any idea of payment from you, to then having to chase payment up from one of your staff and only receiving it after I was told to send in a stamped, self-addressed envelope, to then not having a payment that matched the Payment Summary, the whole thing has been a complete joke. One of your staff continually used the excuse that "this is what this industry is like". I don’t believe it and it is a very poor excuse to hide behind. Potential newcomers like me are what keep an industry moving and if you were actually as open to discussion and contact as you claim to be on this forum, then you would not find yourself the topic of discussion in the first place. Unlike she74, I did make contact with you. It didn't get me far. But what I did do, as you so kindly suggest in your post, was tell following organisations about my experiences with your agency: Department of Employment and Industrial Relations (DEIR) Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance (MEAA) Australian Taxation Office (ATO) the production company involved What a score the Boots commercial was - a small Qld company winning the contract over a cheaper location/company overseas perhaps. Great news for everyone involved. Shame you had to use and abuse exactly those people who answered your ads and came willingly to your aid. You could not have made the ad without the help of all the volunteers sitting on the beach. I’m very glad I’m not one of those people hoping to making their life and living out of your industry. It's easier to respond to negative comments than put the effort into building relationships in the first place. Seems there are always more sides to every story. And I bet there are plenty of others from the Boots shoot who are none too pleased with you either.

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