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Thu, 24 July 2008, 10:10 am
Don Allen42 posts in thread
How many risks are you aware of when working in a theatre or even being in a theatre onstage or backstage. Electrocution Cuts Broken Bones Eye damage Hearing damage Community theatres have a responsability under the WA Occupational Safety and Health Act 1984 and WA OSH Regulations 1996 to provide a safe working environment. There may also be additional responsabilities imposed by local councils. As an individual you have the same responsabilities. These following links will provide usefull and productive information: Why productive ? if you maintain your venue and its equipment to a safe standard, you greatly reduce the setup times for shows and remove a lot of the glitches that may affect a performance. I did not use the work "accident" as I do not beleieve there is such a thing as an accident, anything that goes wrong is as a direct result of someone being incompetent or using unsafe work practices.! WA Occupational Safety and Health Act 1984 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/pco/prod/FileStore.nsf/Documents/MRDocument:7379P/$FILE/OccupSftyAndHealthAct1984_05-g0-00.pdf?OpenElement WA OSH Regulations 1996 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/pco/prod/FileStore.nsf/Documents/MRDocument:7552P/$FILE/OccupSftyAndHealthRegs1996_06-b0-00.pdf?OpenElement Risk Assessment (UK) http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/fivesteps.htm The backsateg Information Guide - Bath University http://people.bath.ac.uk/su2bc/infoguides/index.shtml ABTT Theatre Essentials http://www.abtt.org.uk/PDFs/Theatre_Essentials.pdf Guidelines on the Application of the Health (Public Buildings) Regulations 1992 http://www.population.health.wa.gov.au/environmental/resources/Public%20Buildings%20Guidelines%20Final.pdf Safety Guidelines For The Entertainment Industry (Australian) http://www.entservices.com.au/pdfs/theatrereqs/AustnEntertainmentIndustrySafetyGuidelines.pdf In the absence of any formal training for amateur theatre technicians, then self education is the way to go. I suggest you download any of these documents that allow you to, as it is an excellent start to a library and sometimes web resources tend to dissappear. I always notify actors who walk under ladders when someone is working above them, that it would be a pity to waste all of their rehearsal time, only to miss out on performing because they have been injured during a tech rehearsal, so keep clear and be aware of their surroundings.

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Don AllenThu, 24 July 2008, 10:10 am
How many risks are you aware of when working in a theatre or even being in a theatre onstage or backstage. Electrocution Cuts Broken Bones Eye damage Hearing damage Community theatres have a responsability under the WA Occupational Safety and Health Act 1984 and WA OSH Regulations 1996 to provide a safe working environment. There may also be additional responsabilities imposed by local councils. As an individual you have the same responsabilities. These following links will provide usefull and productive information: Why productive ? if you maintain your venue and its equipment to a safe standard, you greatly reduce the setup times for shows and remove a lot of the glitches that may affect a performance. I did not use the work "accident" as I do not beleieve there is such a thing as an accident, anything that goes wrong is as a direct result of someone being incompetent or using unsafe work practices.! WA Occupational Safety and Health Act 1984 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/pco/prod/FileStore.nsf/Documents/MRDocument:7379P/$FILE/OccupSftyAndHealthAct1984_05-g0-00.pdf?OpenElement WA OSH Regulations 1996 http://www.slp.wa.gov.au/pco/prod/FileStore.nsf/Documents/MRDocument:7552P/$FILE/OccupSftyAndHealthRegs1996_06-b0-00.pdf?OpenElement Risk Assessment (UK) http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/fivesteps.htm The backsateg Information Guide - Bath University http://people.bath.ac.uk/su2bc/infoguides/index.shtml ABTT Theatre Essentials http://www.abtt.org.uk/PDFs/Theatre_Essentials.pdf Guidelines on the Application of the Health (Public Buildings) Regulations 1992 http://www.population.health.wa.gov.au/environmental/resources/Public%20Buildings%20Guidelines%20Final.pdf Safety Guidelines For The Entertainment Industry (Australian) http://www.entservices.com.au/pdfs/theatrereqs/AustnEntertainmentIndustrySafetyGuidelines.pdf In the absence of any formal training for amateur theatre technicians, then self education is the way to go. I suggest you download any of these documents that allow you to, as it is an excellent start to a library and sometimes web resources tend to dissappear. I always notify actors who walk under ladders when someone is working above them, that it would be a pity to waste all of their rehearsal time, only to miss out on performing because they have been injured during a tech rehearsal, so keep clear and be aware of their surroundings.
NaThu, 24 July 2008, 12:08 pm

Can we also gather up the

Can we also gather up the relevant documents for other states? That way we could add this to the FAQ. Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
Don AllenThu, 24 July 2008, 01:05 pm

Sorry Na, had a look but

Sorry Na, had a look but the Victorian regs and acts are not set up like the State Law Publishers in WA, may take a while to find them. I might see if ALIA can help.
NaThu, 24 July 2008, 01:18 pm

No worries - I'd hunt for

No worries - I'd hunt for them myself but I'm a little busy right now. I'll have a look for them tomorrow. Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
JoeMcThu, 24 July 2008, 02:51 pm

Your on target as usual

Your on target as usual Don. In nearly every case, someone always seems to say "It almost hyappened to me, while I was here". Unreported near misses are in most situation the cause of the problem not being rectified earlier. I know I'm guilty of this, as most other people are. I was in a theatre the other month which had no step lights on the entrance to the auditorium. Now what i should have done was piont this out to the FOH Manager, but I didn't, I just stopped my self from falling & went out side & had a smoke! There were other safety issue in things I noticed, but opted not to say anthing. Not that I think anything would have been done, as the staff, I believe would have taken it with a pinch of salt anyway - well at least that is my excuse - but it shouldn't be!
Don is correct there are no accidents, only a lack of 'Idiot Proofing'!

 

 

 

 

 

NaThu, 24 July 2008, 04:34 pm

I've had a case of this

I've had a case of this happening to me at the Victorian Arts Centre. We were hiring a small venue and got a venue tech who was unbelievably unsafe - the stage wasn't marked out, he went to black without calling it out and while people were moving about onstage and off, and halfway through our opening night, a clamp on one of the lights came loose - thank god for the safety chain! Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
David AshtonThu, 24 July 2008, 09:41 pm

At the last heads of

At the last heads of government meeting there was agreement to unify all H&S legislation
JoeMcFri, 25 July 2008, 10:48 am

Theatre is one of the most

Theatre is one of the most potentially dangerous games there is.
 I think it is more luck than good management that there are not more casualties & disasters than there is. I doubt it is down to the patron saint of the arts, looking after us?
I remember being abused for by the Production Manager of a visiting theatre company, at a regional Venue. For having the audacity to ask if he had an Electrical Licence, when he was wiring up a number prac lights on stage. He replied that in Perth we don't need a Licence, so mind your own business. I attempted to advise him I was a Licenced Electrician & he was wiring the lights wrong. He attempted to have me fired, but didn't succeeded . Then the leading actor [A well known performer & personality] received a shock from one of the light fittings on the stage. I placed danger tags on all the fitting he had wired up & he started to remove them. until I advised the management it was in breach of the act to do so. I repaired & made safe all the fittings, then advised the Electrical Inspection Branch of the incident, & filled out the appropriate forms. They eventually caught up to him with the same show in Perth & was fined $2000 in Court, some months later. He was lucky he was not charged with something more serious, such as Edangement or Manslaughter. The venue manager at the time, in my view was a twit. After going off his tree because the situation was raised a week later by the actor concerned, in a popular Perth radio interview. I got it in the neck of course, as being all my fault! So I raised other safety issues, instead of this wally spending the money to fix them, he brought in the local OH&S Inspector to check out the venue. Then screamed when the Inspector placed Health Warning Notices on the front doors & would not remove them, until all of the 65 breaches found, were rectified within 7 days.
To my knowledge only 23 were ever fixed by the City Council, who owned the venue, I think most of the other safety problems are still there. As it became very political in the end, it was all swept under the carpet. But I'm sure it will bight them in the 'R Send' eventually, if they have not sorted the safety situation out! 
Neville TalbotFri, 25 July 2008, 11:44 pm

I remember

Doing the famous Les Mis a few years back (onstage). At the end of the famous barricade we had to vacate the stage in complete darkness. The stairs I had to walk down were completely black, with no markings of any kind. Of course, they were rendered invisible by the blackout. I raised it several times with SM's, with no result. Until in onf the final dress rehearsals when I actually missed one of the steps in the dark and slipped down. Fortunately I 'only' twisted an ankle slightly, and despite a sore ankle for a week or so, was pretty much OK. The white reflective tape was on the stairs by the time we started the next rehearsal. My question at the time was why I'd been ignored so many times by the SM crew, and only an accident created action... No accidents- spot on! Nev It's the simple things stupid...
TaureanSat, 26 July 2008, 10:33 am

Closing the gate

As Neville and Joe have eloquently pointed out, people (particularly those "in charge") have a ridiculous habit of closing the gate AFTER the horse has bolted. It seems that people are unable to see a potential hazard and refuse to take any action to prevent things going wrong until they actually do. As Don has stated "anything that goes wrong is as a direct result of someone being incompetent or using unsafe work practices.!"

     I sometimes wonder if this "Hazard blindness" is an extension of the popular premise  that "it will never happen to me"? Or even worse... the great Australian "She'll be right, mate" attitude. Perhaps we all have been (since our earliest colonial heritage days) making do with dodgy repairs and home fixes for so long that it is now considered the norm to be able to get by without having to do it correctly? Maybe that is why people object so strongly to changing when the SAFE way of doing things is pointed out to them.

 As a personal for instance: My "9-to-5er" involves a fair amount of above ground work (5 to 12 metres up) and all too often I catch my crew  "not having the time" to buckle into a rigging harness or if they do wear it, they don't hook up to the safety bars because "the lines get in the way". One that I did not catch out a few months ago is still in hospital in traction with a broken spine from literally stepping off the work platform while 10 mtrs up! His reasoning for the "accident"? "I felt really safe and comfortable up there, I forgot where I was."

Incidently, he is NOT covered by workers comp because the safety gear was there, he didn't use it  - and he had not closed the barrier gates behind him (EDIT: He had actually jammed the self closing/latching gate open!) because "he was coming straight down again"...... He certainly did!

Moral: If the safety gear is there USE IT!

If it isn't - refuse to do the job until it is!
 

JoeMcSat, 26 July 2008, 11:42 am

It happens all too often

It happens all too often Nev!
I don't think I count the amount of times a warm prop or twirlie, has ended up in the pit, because of neglect & the want of a strip of even white gaffer tape on the edge of the apron. Or how often a near miss fails to be reported, actioned & rectified. Normally any complaint is wiped over & easily forgotten about. The onus is not only on SM but everyone concerned, as each individual has a duty of care & is responsible. I wonder how many theatre groups actually have an incident register?
Primarily on stage it falls within the domain of the SM & similarly the FOH Manager. It also follows when it concerns a punter, even if nothing comes of it, it is a valuable record with Insurance claims & to protect the interest of all concerned.
There are oodles of cheap products available that can be used as safety messures;-http://glowinc.com/
I know in the UK before every production & event. They go to the lengths of filling out & filling a Risk Assessment Form, which becomes archived with the production & at the theatre/venue, for future reference.
Also I doubt if most theatre/venues have even taken the trouble to have Emergency procedures posted or even practised as part of normal procedure. Even what to do if there is an incident? Do the Emergency & Exit lights work in a power failure &/or Fire? All of these situations are easy to simulate & should be practised regularly.
Instead of the usual attitude of if it did happen! Just ensure the bodies are put out side the door or gate. Which does save everyone a heap of paper work!
It is just if not more important to have these in practises in place, when renting a venue, as it is if the group have their own theatre.
Long gone are the days of having to have a designated Fire & Emergency Officer in the venue at all relevant times, during a show or rehearsal. May be it needs to be brought back or at least ensure the SM or FOH Manger are versed & have a planned out procedure to deal with any untoward situation.
There again why bother as it hasn't happened in forty five years, so why do we need to worry?
Which always makes for an interesting, but not unique defence at a Coronal Inquest.
JoeMcSat, 26 July 2008, 12:38 pm

 Blimey mate! I think I

 Blimey mate! I think I was about 13, the last time  I was described as being eloquent? When I was dressed up as a cop in a fairy balet Toto [actualy more of three three! (risk management in it's self?)], in the "Lovely wonderful Spring' number, in a Gang show at the Capitol theatre in Perth in the 60's. {we even made a vinyl record of the song - but no pictures fortunately for me!]
jeffhansenSun, 27 July 2008, 09:27 pm

Safety chains

After reading the above, I made a concious effort to check the safety chains at tech rehearsal today, and found one missing. It's so easy to be throwing lights onto the bars, and not fitting the chain...."I might have to move it again. I'll put all the chains on when the lighting is all done." How many theatres have a log book onsite for both their power fail/emergency exit lighting tests and their RCD tests. Both these sytems must be tested on a 6 monthly basis, and recorded in a book kept onsite. Powerfail lights should run for 90 minutes. A simple press of the 'test' button on the RCD is all that's required.
JoeMcSun, 27 July 2008, 10:09 pm

A good point Jeff!I think

A good point Jeff!
I think you could count on one hand the number of venues, who actually have a current up to date log book. This includes pro & community theatre, as well as Local City Council Halls & whatever.
This is something I covered in a meeting with Alan Morris, prior to him going on holidays. As a suggestion to possibly have these log books & procedures printed up & available thru Aunty ITA?
I have yet to find out if he is back? So I can follow up on this & make copies of Log Books available for him to view.
JoeMcMon, 28 July 2008, 01:43 am

For those who need to use

'BLOFLI' [Back Line Out, Front Line In]
For those who use Fly Counterweight systems, this 'Halls Stage' article would help, working out risk factors;-
http://www.hallstage.com/uploads/documents/Counterweight%20Rigging%20Document.pdf
JoeMcMon, 28 July 2008, 04:18 pm

Gel frames are something

Gel frames are something normally forgotten about, besides the safety chains/cables. As they are steel frames they do make a deadly missile. Especially if they are ill fitting &/or held on with gaffer tape. I tend to despair when I'm a punter & look up. To see gel fluttering down, as everyone knows, gel on the deck, makes ones foot slide very easily. I have actually witnessed more occasions of gel frames jumping out & committing suicide, than lamps dropping in to visit invited.
Now I come to think of it, this is probably why a lot of comeatres use no gel, because they have misplaced the frames? Thus they can't be bothered beyond having open white lighting. when all they have to do is use an easily made up cable lanyard, clipped onto the frame & lamp. Or/& ensure the frame stays with the lamp & clip captivated in the slide track grooves. 
 Heres a thing next time your a punter take a look up at the the lighting over head, I bet you won't see a lot of safety chains utilised, although sometimes they may be obscure from view. In a lot of cases these days, you won't only view the FOH lighting bars, but also the lighting battens on stage, as there seems to be a trend toward not using Boarder drops anymore. This must be to give the punters extra value. By them viewing all the patch cable plug ups, bits of tape rubbish & not forgetting all the good old  cobwebs on the fixtures 'n fittings.
Which all adds to the punters reassurance of regular maintenance & risk assessment being carried out?

 

NaMon, 28 July 2008, 04:25 pm

I don't know if this

I don't know if this counts, but generally these days the disuse of boarder drops (on the Eastern side at least) is because more and more venues are multi-purpose. Especially the smaller ones. Personally, my lighting lecturer taught me the value of a tidy rig, and always 'slapped' our wrists when we had leads hanging all over the place. I now hate untidy rigs :) Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
Sean BMon, 28 July 2008, 06:58 pm

Hehehe Having learning

Hehehe Having learning about LX and lighting two shows now Na I know exactly what you're talking about. It annoys me too! There was someone recently that tried to hook a hook clamp over a lead. I think they went through the covering EEK! Vote 1 Tidy and Safe rigs ____________________________________________________________ Currently working on: 'Locked In' a short play based on a real life experience For more details visit: www.freewebs.com/lazycreationsgroup
David AshtonMon, 28 July 2008, 06:59 pm

At risk of being a grammar

At risk of being a grammar pedant, a boarder is a person who pays to live with you, a border is a curtain to hide your lights.
JoeMcMon, 28 July 2008, 08:10 pm

Multi purpose venues are

Multi purpose venues are always a problem. But I agree with your Lecturer, I can't understand how any one can work effectively, in crap & mess of tangled rubbish. In nearly all instances you try to make it easy on yourself & others, by taking the time to clean it up before you start. Which allows you to work logical & save time over all. Simple things like run an extension cable from the lamp to the patch point  outlet, rather than the other way around. So your not left with a heap of extension cord at the lamp. Of course having enough patch battens in the right places, also helps.
To me if you have the space to hang a lighting batten, it does not take that much more effort to also hang boarders. 
I was at a venue a few weeks ago, just as a tourist. It was not that it was unsafe, but it drew attention to the way it had been rigged up. Now this was a well known & used theatre venue, where for the sake of a few hours spent on each production, could make it so much easier for all the reusable resources, to work shows - in turn possibly hanging on to more of those, prepared to do it! I know invariably there is not enough time to do things & as usual everything technical is left as a quick gaff job, with little or none of the 5 P's employed - Just a get the show on the boards attitude, of "we will worry about all that  later"! Which only succeeds in making it more difficult the next time, to the point there are none of the reusable resources left, who are prepared or want to do it in the dark anymore!
JoeMcMon, 28 July 2008, 08:31 pm

No wonder spell check

No wonder spell check didn't pick it up!
but could this be a techie slip on my part? A 'Boarder' being another name for a warm prop, luvvie or twirlie?
NaMon, 28 July 2008, 08:45 pm

Wait til you get to the

Wait til you get to the 'pro' venues in Melbourne. Some of them are unbelievably unsafe. Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
NaMon, 28 July 2008, 08:46 pm

Whoops, I did it too... so

Whoops, I did it too... so much for that proofreading course I took a few years ago :P Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
JoeMcMon, 28 July 2008, 10:39 pm

I worked at the Maj

I worked at the Maj Melbourne a few years ago & it was an eye opener.
Their electrics & fly system was something that came out of the Ark! In fact the counterweight system reminded me of the one the Perth Maj  threw out back in the 60's. But no one seemed to worry or care!
The house sparky, at least he said he was. Started a fire with one of his dodgy electrical modifications, during the tech rehearsal. Which worked that well, it burnt a costume in the dressing room. The management were more upset because the rehearsal was stopped & the fire Brigade was called out. Not about the fact they had no smoke detectors. But instead blamed the performer for the fire & the fact they ended with about a $2000 Fire brigade call out fee. Funnily enough the show was "Smokey Joe's Café".
Don AllenMon, 28 July 2008, 10:54 pm

Dressing Lighting Bars

I do about 20 shows a year of various length runs and use about half a roll of gaffa tape in a year ! as I take the time to run cables, place set pieces etc and use carpet at times to remove trip hazards so I don't have to "gaffa things down" There are some things lke dance tarquets that have to be taped down with gaffa tape for the dancers safety but for most of my lead dressing I use insulation tape. It is not up there long enought to go sticky and I use "one and a half wraps" so the cable can be pulled of the bar for bumpout. The tape on top of the lead is only one thickness, i.e. it is the half part of the wrap. I would use twenty to thirty rolls of black insulation tape. White Nitto brand insulation tape is used for desk labelling. Providing you hang the lights first, then fit leads and dress, you are not causing a problem by taping the leads to the bar at regular intervals. As Gaffa says, start at the light and have the excess cable at the socket away from the hot bits. If you do your paperwork before you start rigging, you will have a range of leads so there is not too much excess to dress. After you have done a few shows you do this in your head, thinking ahead. It is sometimes usefull to have .25 metre, .5 metre, .75 metre and 1 metre leads for this purpose. In professional shows in large venues they will not be so selective as they need to use standard lengths in multiples of 1 metre. (e.g. 1,2,3,5,10,15,20) I am spending all Thursday night at the Fly, cleaning up their cabling, making it more flexible as in having spare outlets in the rig and training some Scouts for a show they are doing later on in the year. Maintenance is good for any venue as it saves time during show setups when everyone wants the stage.
JoeMcTue, 29 July 2008, 11:17 am

Orange Oil is great for

Orange Oil is great for cleaning cables of gunk, also the citrus fragrance lingers on for quite some time. It is quite good on the hands keeping them as soft as babies backside. Also Cockroaches & other infestations hate the stuff & end up committing suicide.

http://www.howardproducts.com.au/products/orange_oil.htm

With the bods of the left hand shake, I'm sure you would have Don, taught them to coil & roll cables correctly. Here is a video which explains a couple of similar methods, which all techies should know &/or at least learn to do;-

http://stagecraft.theprices.net/gallery/cablewrap/

This will save collecting a bunch of R'soles in the cable when they throw it out. The vid is from 'stagecraft' a very useful site. Which far better than me attempting to explain how to do it in words or even trying to demonstrate these days. Since the stokes the left hand has a mind of it's own & the hand muscle memory has Alzheimer's.
The lecky tape works well for quick bump outs, but with multiple extension cable runs on  a batten or whatever. I use the 'thwaker'. Which is something that evolved & which was used way back in the 50's. I actualy started calling them thwakers, because releasing a tight one, normally ended up thwaking the unweary on the hand.
Grab an old car tyre inner tube, which can be got for nothing from any tyre outlet or garage.
Lay it flat & cut into strips, which become like a rubber band. using a hand paper guilotine can help to get a straight cut thru the folded innertube. However with placing the tube under a a plywood board & using clamps to hold the board, will allow for a straighter cut using a craft or box knife - but be flamin carefull.
 Buy a packet of wood dowels they can be around 1 or 2" long it is up to you.
Using one end of the tube rubber ring, turn it into a 'Larks Head Knot [a.k.a 'Girth Knot']. Place the dowel inside the knot & tighten. You have a thwacker. {Nactuallythwackersow if you want to be really professional, pant the dowell black first}.
Wrap the tube ring around the cable or a loom & the batten. place the dowell [toggle] thru the tube loop & you have thwaked the cable & batten. You can pull it as tight as you wish & won't damage the cables & the thwaker is completly reuseable. Without any sticky residue & you can even use them to hang up ciols of extention cables. If the loom is too large for one thwacker attatching it to the batten or whatever, just put the toggle of one thwaker, into another & extend it into a double thwaker.
I always try to keep a couple in the toolbox for any temporary cabling situations.
So welcome to the world of happy thwacking!
jeffhansenTue, 29 July 2008, 10:42 pm

Emergency Lights

I'm afraid Joe, that the Australian Standard relating to emergengy lighting requires that the log book be a hard cover book (I don't know why, but that's what it says) so just printing a few pages out is out of the question. These log books are available for under $50 from most electrical suppliers, and they contain the relevant excerpt from the Australian Standards, as far as what testing is required, and at what intervals. I can certainly supply these books to any theatre club who wishes to purchase them. RCD log books are also available.
NaWed, 30 July 2008, 01:14 am

Maybe hard cover log books

Maybe hard cover log books are harder to accidentally lose or destroy? (How many of us could spill coffee all over a few sheets of paper - harder to blot out the ink if the sheets are covered in hardback) Moppet eyes now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
JoeMcWed, 30 July 2008, 07:38 am

I have used these log books

I have used these log books for years, the intention was to produce fully bound hard cover. As discussed with Alan, using his printing trade services. To produce a fully hardcover drawn, flexi bound or similar log book. To include a compendium format. To cover tagging, fire retardant items & even risk assessments all in the one bound book. Which would require a book for each year only.  As the SAA log book is copyright, Aunty could have it's own theatre orientated & event specific log book. If we can maybe add an incident reporting log provision of sorts? However this might be whistling against the wind to umbrella it all in one log book?
Don AllenWed, 30 July 2008, 08:35 am

Joe your idea of a single

Joe your idea of a single log book has merit, perhaps we could get Public Health involved as their Public Buildings Guide is an excellent resource. Australian Standards are created by a group of concerned individuals wanting to make things safer in a specific area by publishing guidelines ir standards. (There are also commercial interests involved. This is an example of how those standards come about. Perhaps a technical sub group working through the ITA ? I have not used the term committee as it needs to be efficient, reactive, proactive, productive etc.
JoeMcWed, 30 July 2008, 10:53 am

Good idea Don, a group with

Camel with no humps! [Or at a pinch a Camelus Dromedarius.]
I remember attending one of these SAA focus groups in Sydney, a very long time ago, which was an eye opener. However they became easily bogged down in committee politics & more concerned with individual & associations commercial interests. My only commercial interest was paying out for the hotel & the cost of travelling to the East all the time. However they are a great Institution & have good record of endeavours. these days it much easer with the net & video conferencing. But it still primarily based over there.
We have the makings of a group, who are simmering on the back hob, at present. who being theatre ARTificers, in various disciplines. Would I'm sure be happy to input into a community theatre sgroup, you have suggested.
Aunty of course would be the umbrella & vanguard of this unitive. Along with our member theatre groups & others being the beneficiaries, not only here, but even beyond the rabbit proof fence.

 

 

Sean BWed, 30 July 2008, 09:28 pm

Was this before or after

Was this before or after the renovations recently? Sean ____________________________________________________________ Currently working on: 'Locked In' a short play based on a real life experience For more details visit: www.freewebs.com/lazycreationsgroup
JoeMcThu, 31 July 2008, 04:25 pm

It was a fair while ago

It was a fair while ago Sean, I didn't realise it has been refurbished, not before time! The Ol' girl, was getting to be very tired. At the time I remember thinking the place had not anything done to it, since the days that the 'old Firm' of JCW owned it.
TaureanFri, 1 Aug 2008, 04:29 pm

Dear old Aunty ITA

    Pardon me for raining on various parades, but "Dear Old Aunty ITA" is very limited as far as her committee goes and definitely has very limited spare resources at her disposal (if any). Whilst I can fully appreciate the need for various log books, manuals, text references and other DHS manuscripts, I am also very aware that the ITA do not have the funds to cover the expenditure of purchasing these and supplying them to the our member clubs. Obviously, the outlay would be horrendous, especially with the rules changing all the time and the reference manuals constantly needing to be upgraded.

    This is why it has always been left to the individual clubs to monitor their own Safety Awareness Systems and basically control their own destinies.

   Perhaps we could approach either DOHSWA or the Arts wing of the State Government and request that they provide X amount of copies of (for instance) the AS-3000 Electricians"rule book" gratis to be supplied to the TAP group and the various liscenced Elec-Tech's around the traps as part of the Governments so called "Art's Initiative"?

    Mind you... I don't fancy our chances....

jeffhansenFri, 1 Aug 2008, 09:11 pm

Electrical work

Just a reminder to all.... It is an offence to perform unlicensed electrical work in Western Australia. The fines for doing so are not insignificant, and dozens of individuals are prosecuted each year for this breach. When at home, you may put a new plug on a lead. This is quite acceptable, and no license is required, however, our theatres are public buildings on the whole, and ANY electrical work must be carried out by a licensed electrician. This would include replacing a lead on a light fitting. Those who hold a restricted license can perform this task, but these licenses are no longer being issued in WA, apart from to those who will use it during their regular waork, i.e. plumbers and fridgies. There was an update to the WA Electrical Requirements which came into effect on the 1/7/08. This requires that any electrical installation work be accompanied by an Electrical Safety Certificate. If the person performing your electrical work is unable to provide this certificate, he/she is not correctly licensed to perform the work. The Safety certificate is to be used when adding to an existing final subcircuit, or adding no more than one final sub circuit. The addition of more than one final subcicuit requires the submission of a preliminary and final notice to Western Power/Horizon. Remember.....peoples lives are at stake. Get the work done properly.
NaFri, 1 Aug 2008, 11:43 pm

"When at home, you may put

"When at home, you may put a new plug on a lead." Seriously? I've seen homemade attachments before and they scare me. Some have had the copper wires showing, or the attachments are so bad, they come apart quickly. Having said that, it's not half as bad as what I've seen lighting techs do overseas (in Asia). Finger puppets now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
JoeMcFri, 1 Aug 2008, 11:56 pm

I had my first stroke

 With the compendium log book, what I suggest to Alan Morris, while having a coffee, was in utilising his empirical printing skills & trade services. Aunty could produced a single all encompassing log book, that could be purchased by member theatre groups, for a reasonable amount. However with some form of sponsorship &/or underwriting, this theatre orientated log book could become available to all & even nationally.
I believe we collectively have enough know how to bring this about.  
JoeMcSat, 2 Aug 2008, 12:20 am

 Not only overseas Na! I'm

 Not only overseas Na!
I'm sure we all have stories of dodgy techies, doing electrical work here as well.
The ones that I get really worried about, is American techies, who come over here with shows.
jeffhansenWed, 6 Aug 2008, 10:21 pm

Yep...Seriously. The rules

Yep...Seriously. The rules allow a home handyman to fit a plug to a lead for his own use. Now, I've seen some people do scary things with electricity, usually through ignorance. I'm guessing the relaxing of the rules would have something to do with RCDs now being compulsory, so that if you do get the brown and green wires around the wrong way, you don't get killed. Makes me worry about all those old houses without RCDs. This doesn't go for anywhere but home. You can't do it in a workplace, or a theatre without a licence. I don't know how the rules apply to overseas techs, but we have a wiring rule book the size of Lord of the Rings. You cannot perform electrical work without a licence. Maybe overseas techs can get a temp licence of some kind?? I've not heard of such a thing, but then, there's a lot of things I don't know. Oh....and by the way....Electricity hurts......a lot! That I do know.
NaWed, 6 Aug 2008, 10:42 pm

That's ludicrous... How is

That's ludicrous... How is it 'safe' for the home, but not ok for anywhere else? I thought safety was a binary state. Finger puppets now on sale at Puppets in Melbourne
jeffhansenWed, 6 Aug 2008, 10:49 pm

Rules are rules. I don't

Rules are rules. I don't recall exactly where the rule is, but it is a recent change. I shall look it up and report back, now that I have raised the issue. If it is in the WA Electrical Requirements, then it would apply only in WA, not other states. Though electrical rules are Australia (and NZ - we use the same rule book) wide, the states have local requirements which can override the AS/NZS 3000 rule book. **EDIT****** This is from the DOCEP website ****WA ONLY****** Licensing is state based, so this may not apply in states other than WA. If in doubt, get an electrician. 1. What type of electrical work requires a licence? All electrical work requires a licence except as listed in regulation 19 of the Electricity (Licensing) Regulations 1991. This generally means that extra low voltage (ELV - below 50 volts AC 120 volts DC - ripple free), communications work, cords and plugs work that is not for gain or reward, supply authority work or other work considered low risk because of the nature of the work or the way it is done. Refer to the electrical installation section for more details.
JoeMcThu, 7 Aug 2008, 12:23 am

I remember well over over

I remember well over 20 years ago, when I was a manager of an Electrical Contracting Company. Being invited to the Sheraton for a seminar, thru the Contractors Association & the then SEC.
The main discussion was about proposed changes to the WA Electrical Act. The gist of it was to allow owner builders, to wire up their own homes. Also that Electricians who own up to performing any dodgy work or practise, would be immune from prosecution. Along with a host of other changes, I can't remember now.
These changes apparently took over 5 years to formulate, by Government legal eagles. Which possibly justified their existence or was a ploy by the department to give credence for future budget increases.
After the sparkies dutifully devoured the 5 Star lunch & lubricated themselves sufficiently. All became fired up during the afternoon Q&A session. Which was deemed to be an out of order, so the conveners virtually packed up their new rules & evaporated. The afternoon session was reinstated & carried on in the Lounge Bar. Eventually everyone left none the wiser for the  venture, but some what merrier. The upshot was the Department  latter advised, couched in the usual drivel, that they would have to think it all out again?  "In order to develop new amendments in the fullness of time!" 
Could this be what they eventually came up with -  But I could be wrong?
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