Joseph and the Technicolor Dreamcoat

Thanks for your honesty Look over and congratulations on your new partnership. I hope it all goes well. Like people are saying the actors were great but the direction and the organisation was F***ED. The student in the show did well but in the end it is the producers/Principal of the school that sets the tone, the direction and the way the show will
be. Bitchyness you say? Someone once told me that that sort of thing begins with the management and going on what i've read, it seems those running WACPA can be like that to others (Am I right? I am keen to find out).
Anyway I hope it all works out for you, I'm sure it will and don't worry about WACPA. The word is that it may not be around for much longer. then again, it could pull its sock up and do a really good show next time. Who knows. I wait with interest.

Good going to all the cast. Under competant direction, I'm sure you would have been proud of this one.

Sorry Mrs.Sondheim. It was a typo. I guess my fingers got the better of me (No freudian slip intended or should I say unintended!)

P.S. Love your comments!

Come on guys lets try to say something nice about the production.
Does anyone have anything nice to say about its directors at all?

I for one loved the Elvis guy. Does anyone remember what his name was?

WOW what a drama! You'd have thought it was an episode of "Bold and the Beautiful" the way this productions has gone.

I'm sorry, the cast were great. Big up youselves to you (positive remark ala Ali G). To the management just up yours (not so positive remark)! I think you let your cast down. It's not that they wern't good enough (they were!) It's just that they were way too good for your company.

Thou gleeking hasty-witted death-token!

TONY MACCOINE

ok...

as a discruntled member of the cast i have this to say (lol)

the direction was crap...
they did take a @!#$ load from the movie, which is pathetic. if you're gonna attempt to put something on like this, you have to be original! i had many ideas but was unable 2 express them, and im sure quite a few of the cast felt the same way.
the direction was pretty much "go over there and do something interesting"

the auditions.... well... the lead joseph didnt even audition! he was handed the part in late 2004 by defult, because he was part of wacpa... at the begining they were slightly picky with who got in the show, but half way through, they would take anyone, regardless if they could sing or dance.

the music.... well WE HAD 3 DIFFERENT SCORES!!! they all contained slightly different arrangements and lyrics, and we had to swap between them constantly. it wasnt until weeks before the show opened, that we got the final version of "One more angel in heaven"!
> then when we Finaly got to reherse with the band, we get there to find out that some of the songs weve learnt dont match the band's score, so 3 days before we open, we had to totaly redo "Go GO Joseph"

pettine croul... was out of her leauge. she may have all these things to her name (including a MBE, which she constantly reminds us of), but she had no idea what she was doing... her infighting with the other directors and the producers was quite pathetic and UNPROFESSIONAL... did u know that she QUIT the night before we opened? we were "lucky" to get her back... Ha! She cannot conduct a band to save her life!

i crashed heads with her on numerous occasions (in which i was only correcting her on a mistake she was making)... girl needs a wake up call.

..... But in the end, i had fun and it was a good experience, aswell as slightly bad too, sometimes. i enjoyed my time on stage, and i think the cast did really well under the circumstances we were put under. i have made some good friends with the cast and being in the show did help me vocally (ie with projection and learning to take care of my voice), so i take these things away with me...

- me

Hey poster,

Don't worry yourself!
You are not to blame. I hope one day you prove the likes of Pettine Ann Croul wrong and become famous.This "glitch" will be something to laugh at in future (Most of the cast and audience are already laughing at the directors!)
The reason they "borrowed from the movie" was because Pettine is an unimaginative "has been" who never "was" here in Perth. Pettine always casts her "mates" as leads. This is nothing new and you wonder why the leads are shite! In a prodution of "Oliver" I once saw, Fagin had an American accent to "Pick a pocket" and Brownlow (I heard) was her next door neighbour! Pettine was out of her league you say? I say she was never in yours to start with. And how does one quit their own production that they have invested in? (In other words she was bullshitting you when she says she quit). It's true that she did get an MBE for her services to music (in New Zealand) but at the "Academy" they were pleased to get rid of her! She caused nothing but trouble. Just askthe likes of Lisa Mc Cune,Marcus Graham and any lecturer whowas there from 84' to 89'! I think that someone with a real chip on their shoulder is pissed off with WAAPA and wants to get back at them so they put on a production like this "to show" themselves off. Unfortunately it has all backfired. Lets face it poster, you've been used! And you're much better than that.

Quoth the Raven (on WACPA and these sorts of productions)
NEVER MORE!

Thou yeasty boil-brained lout!

(To the tune of "Amazing Grace") (Written by a pissed off cast member)

"Amazing coat" done by Croul
what a load of @!#$!
It had good cast and crew and clothes
despite the directional pits.

Twas WACPA that staged this godawful mess
I'm sure they'll be back again
But please treat us cast and muso's with care
and don't do "Singing in the Rain!"

Through many bad reviews, critics and bad press
this show has already come,
Twas Pettine that brought this crap thus far
and needs a good kick up the ***

"Amazing coat" don't worry at all
the cast who were treated like dirt
they way the ticket sales have gone
WACPA has lost it's shirt



(With apologies to Judy Collins although I'm sure she may have already recorded this after watching the show)

Thou dankish hasty-witted moldwarp!

Why don't you go over there and do something interesting-

Like get all the pissed off cast of "Joseph" invest $100 of your own money each and put on a proper production of some sort (doesn't have to be a musical) and make a @!#$ load of money and prove to the people of the WA College of Performing Arts that you can provide qulaity theatre at a reasonable price and do a F**KING good job of it too! Rise up and do your own show and prove to the likes of Pettine that you can do a damn sight better than all. I know you will and I would gladly pay money to see your show!

Good luck in the future. I'm sure it will be a bright one for you!

I saw the show and I could'nt say it was flash. I was annoyed at the high prices because it was an amatuer prodcution. Had it been cheaper I would have thought it was value for money. I wonder (with all this fuss) what the directors (Arnold Wong & Pettina Ann) think about the bas criticism they got from this show? It would of interest to see what they have to say?

Petina & Arnold, you're public wants you to respond! (crowd chants "We will be satisfied! We will be satisfied! -from Julius Caesar)

Thou venomed pottle-deep nut-hook!

pettine would defend herself furiously... because "pettine is Never wrong".... hahaha

i actually have respect for Arnold... he may have not been the best with direction *cough*, but he put up with so much @!#$ from Pettine...
he'd direct us one way, and when hed leave the room, shed go in right behind him and change all his direction. she even said "im taking over" at one point. poor guy.

Well Poster

What a revelation! Pettine is never wrong!
I know she has had a alot of experience but do you see a conflict of interest? She is the producer (or was it someone elses money down the rat hole?) and the director. I don't know this (poor soul) Arnold. So he was a bit of a puppet of Pettines? Putting up with s**t from Pettine?
So she has a bit of a temper? Is that appropriate for such a young cast? She'd go and change the directors directions. "I'm taking over"
you say?

I say that Pettine took the production and made it...so over!

Down with the W.A. College of Performin Arts! Thumbs down Pettine. Let's hope your kind never make another production!

Thou mammering common-kissing boar-pig!

I read with interest the backstage disgruntles (I think thats a word!) of Mrs.Pettine Crowl's prduction. Is there anyone else who is pissed off with this show? (If so, speak to us, remain anon. if you wish) and tell us what it was really like back stage at "Joseph"> people then can decidde for themselves if they want to do or see another production hosted by WACPA

Actually there is something that the academy can do. If WAPPA wanted to, they can have a look at section 52 of the Trades practices act which prohibits companies from enagaing in conduct that is misleading or deceptive or likely to mislead or decieve, This covers radio advertising and handbills. I don't think that WACPA have been around THAT long!.

By the way the WA Academy of Performing Arts and the WA College of Performing Arts do sound extremely similar. It would be fiar to say that anyone who rings for the first time looking for WAPPA may get the impression that they are dealing with the Academy. It's not the same with John Curtin College of the Arts (JCCA) and curtin university of technology (CUT).

You're right I'm sure the Edith Cowan people aren't too worried about a tinpot company such as the WA College of Performing Arts because they will never be in the same league. How many people trying out for this show thought it was part of the WAPPA initially? I hope those disgruntled cast do some extention courses at WAPPA and learn proper musical theatre skills and dump the poor "pretend cousin"

Thou infectious dizzy-eyed ratsbane!

Hi Sonia. You appear to be replying to my post below (Joseph and a Technicality...), even though you've put it in this part of the thread for some reason.


Sonia Van Der Mullen wrote:
>
> Actually there is something that the academy can do. If WAPPA
> wanted to, they can have a look at section 52 of the Trades
> practices act which prohibits companies from enagaing in
> conduct that is misleading or deceptive or likely to mislead
> or decieve, This covers radio advertising and handbills. I
> don't think that WACPA have been around THAT long!.
>
> By the way the WA Academy of Performing Arts and the WA
> College of Performing Arts do sound extremely similar. It
> would be fiar to say that anyone who rings for the first time
> looking for WAPPA may get the impression that they are
> dealing with the Academy. It's not the same with John Curtin
> College of the Arts (JCCA) and curtin university of
> technology (CUT).
>
> You're right I'm sure the Edith Cowan people aren't too
> worried about a tinpot company such as the WA College of
> Performing Arts because they will never be in the same
> league. How many people trying out for this show thought it
> was part of the WAPPA initially? I hope those disgruntled
> cast do some extention courses at WAPPA and learn proper
> musical theatre skills and dump the poor "pretend cousin"



Hmmm. I'm not convinced. If you're basing all of this on the fact that their acronyms are similar, I think you're reaching.
What I've looked up on the Trades Practices Act Section 52 indicates that the 'misleading conduct' would have to be proved to be misrepresenting their own product in a sufficient way to cause damages. This is simply not the case.

There are hundreds of examples of businesses with only slightly dissimilar names...'The People's Front of Judea', 'The Judean People's Front'...etc. The order and/or difference of wording DOES need to be specific. Therefore, people shouldn't be surprised that two titles that have different wording actually ARE different businesses.
When the description of your activities is contained within the business name, it is not considered unreasonable unless you are breaching a very specific trademark.

The fact that WAAPA is usually abbreviated to 'The Academy' means that people would probably be alert to another title where that word was conspicuously absent. You're talking about a VERY small percentage of intellects who are likely to get so deceived.

Of course, the fact that you keep calling it 'WAPPA' rather than 'WAAPA' (dropping the 'Academy' part and inventing your own variation) shows that perhaps you ARE someone who might get that confused.


Cheers,
Craig

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How can a line from Monty Python's "life of Brian" be the the basis of your argument? The fact is the inclination to have the operation sound like it was close to the WA Academy of Performing Arts shows probable cause. Why didn't the principals call it The Performing arts college of W.A?

This (WA College of Performing Arts of a) parrot is bleedin' demised!

Thou tottering fool-born foot-licker!

Sonia Van Der Mullen wrote:
>
> How can a line from Monty Python's "life of Brian" be the the
> basis of your argument? The fact is the inclination to have
> the operation sound like it was close to the WA Academy of
> Performing Arts shows probable cause. Why didn't the
> principals call it The Performing arts college of W.A?



As I guessed, Sonia, you are too confused to understand the basis of my argument. I suggest you read it again.

You seem to be blindly holding on to your premise simply because you are fault-finding with the WACPA. Let it rest, because as I said, your argument just doesn't stand up.


All right, if I must....the reference to 'the People's Front...etc' was not the BASIS of an argument, but an EXAMPLE which I thought people would easily recognise, to illustrate the point I had already made. Basically, I was being too lazy to open the Yellow Pages to quote any real examples - of which there are HUNDREDS.

According to your argument, your interpretation of the Trades Practices Act would have all these companies suing each other for false and misleading advertising...! (just opening up at random pages here)...

Dragon China Chinese Restaurant
Dragon City Chinese Restaurant
Dragon Seafood Chinese Restaurant
Dragon Village Chinese Restaurant
....................................... and I bet they ALL serve seafood dishes!


Building & Construction Inspection Service
Building Consultancy And Inspections
Building & Home Inspection Service
Building Inspection And Report Service
............................................very similar names; easy to get confused

Investcorp
Investwest Corp
Investor Iq
Investors Club
Investors Group
Investor's Guide
Investwest Life
Invest Australia
Invesco Australia
Investors Mutual
Invest 4 Life
........................................hard to tell them apart? I think they invest.

Pizza Academy
Pizza Lounge
Pizza Hut
Pizza Palace
Pizza Haven
................................there's only ONE Academy! The others are cheap imitations!

Daynite Couriers
Daynite Security
Daynite Signs
Daynite Towing
.................................like I said before, it should be obvious that titles with similar but different wording actually ARE different businesses.


What about:

WA Academy of Dance And Drama
WA Academy of Irish Dancing
WA Academy of Applied Computing
Academy of Contemporary Music
Academy of Ballet And Performance
Academy Dance Centre Ballet School
...............................................why aren't you crusading against them to change their names, which are far more similar?

And here's your favourite:

WA Primary Principals Association (WAPPA, as you like to spell it).
................................................maybe they ought to be suing YOU for misrepresenting them in your previous posts?



All of this to say:

The Trades Practices Act section about misrepresentation that you quote is to do with damages caused by a company to a smaller party (other business/consumer) through not providing services as described. For instance, promising (by name, advertising, contract, etc) to provide 100% fruit juice but providing something watered down. Or saying it's a real aussie beef steak pie and finding bits of cat.

An Academy of Performing Arts is a legitimate name for a school of performing arts, and so is a College of Performing Arts. If they are based in WA they have every right to proclaim so. There is no basis of misrepresentation in anything you have been saying.

Of course, you may still claim that they are failing in their ability to produce decent performances. If they were called the WA College of Producing Decent Performances, you might have a case...but you would still have to legally define what a decent performance is; a definition that varies according to personal taste. Whether or not you think the product is any good (especially in an artistic sense) is a matter of opinion.

You have made yours clear, and it appears there are many who have voiced a similar opinion. But that's an entirely different argument.

Cheers,
The Judean Popular People's Front

I was in the cast and I have to agree with poster. This production was a load of garbage. I was really pissed off that Pettine "quit" the show. It was pathetic. I was expecting a professional managment. What the cast got was one director who at least was trying (thanks Arnold!) and an overblown "has been" (who never was) in Pettine Croul. I was fed up with her continual references to her MBE (we used to refer to it as More Bullshit & Excrement). Lets face it "joseph" was an opportunity to perform but it was a wasted opportunity to show what the College could do. Pettine is to blame for this because is is the most F**ked producer you can find going around. I mean Perth does have talented directors, why on Gods earth did we need to put up with her? She couldn't direct to save her tits! Oh yeah, it was HER show! And just how many of the orignal cast walked out becvause of her. I'll tell you about half a dozen! They all said the same reason for leaving: Pettine!



Thou goatish fool-born ratsbane!

Never again will I be associated with Pettine or WA College of Performing Arts

Guys Guys! Hold on! This is getting way out of hand!

Alright you both have reasonable arguments. leave it alone!

My God, it sounds like two lawyers yapping away in Rigbys bar. Give it a rest.

Yes, I saw the show and it was a load of garbage. It could have been better, the cast tried but its directors failed (Lets face it, they would also be gladly taking the kudos if was there) in their task of putting on a show that was of quality. It looked like "Amatuer" night and by that I mean the show was flung together with little thought for the cast who had to deliver it and it showed. I hope you learn from this experience. The proof is in the companys track record. From what I've read, it's not a good one.

Ah Well chalk it up to experience. Move on!

I had the pleasure in being involved in this production through my children who where in the kids chorus. Firstly the cast where a wonderful group of people and easy to get along so many great people in one small group it was fantastic. Arnold was fantastic the way he spoke to the group and the advice he gave (when allowed) was what you would expect of a producer. Seanne (the choregrapher) the same wonderful attitude and encouragement to make the cast feel great. Kay what a great lady trying to hold together a cast and production team being pulled apart at every opportunity by Pettine. i often wondered how she managed to stay so calm. That leaves the two people involved in WACPA Pettine and Ani. For someone who claims to have so much experience I often wondered why she never had the proffessional approach. Constant downgrading and raised voice when talking to the children is not what i expected when i signed my children up to be in this production. Add to that the fact that she wouldn't for half of the rehearsals talk to the producer and pulled faces and make snard comments at all the suggestions he was making was little wonder the cast was left confused. Ani in all her glory (costumer maker) and they were good but she failed to mention her offsider who you would often see sewing at every rehearsal isn't it great to take all the credit. Snard comments flowed from her mouth as well and it is no wonder people will not be returning to the College. I have one piece of advice for any of you involved in theatre STAY AWAY from WACPA tell your friends family neighbours tell them to tell there friends family neighbours and by no means take your children near this College.