MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Mon, 19 July 2004, 03:33 pmMish_L55 posts in thread
MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Mon, 19 July 2004, 03:33 pmINTERNATIONAL ARTS CO PRESENTS........
MOULIN BLUES!!!!
REGAL THEATRE 7TH AUGUST!!!
ONE SHOW ONLY SO GET IN QUICK!!!!!!!!
Live Band, Live Singers and Dancers!!!
A truly entertaining night for all
Tickets at BOCS $35
MOULIN BLUES!!!!
REGAL THEATRE 7TH AUGUST!!!
ONE SHOW ONLY SO GET IN QUICK!!!!!!!!
Live Band, Live Singers and Dancers!!!
A truly entertaining night for all
Tickets at BOCS $35
Mish_LMon, 19 July 2004, 03:33 pm
INTERNATIONAL ARTS CO PRESENTS........
MOULIN BLUES!!!!
REGAL THEATRE 7TH AUGUST!!!
ONE SHOW ONLY SO GET IN QUICK!!!!!!!!
Live Band, Live Singers and Dancers!!!
A truly entertaining night for all
Tickets at BOCS $35
MOULIN BLUES!!!!
REGAL THEATRE 7TH AUGUST!!!
ONE SHOW ONLY SO GET IN QUICK!!!!!!!!
Live Band, Live Singers and Dancers!!!
A truly entertaining night for all
Tickets at BOCS $35
Walter PlingeWed, 21 July 2004, 03:50 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
i have never heard of anything to tacky in my life.
moulin rouge meets blues brothers?! talk about doing shows just to get ticket sales, and not about making good entertainment.
$35 for an amateur show???????????????
moulin rouge meets blues brothers?! talk about doing shows just to get ticket sales, and not about making good entertainment.
$35 for an amateur show???????????????
Walter PlingeWed, 21 July 2004, 05:55 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
TACKY wrote:
>
> i have never heard of anything to tacky in my life.
> moulin rouge meets blues brothers?! talk about doing shows
> just to get ticket sales, and not about making good
> entertainment.
>
> $35 for an amateur show???????????????
Exactly. However, there's more! Beware of another certain musical coming up that's charging $48 for an amateur show.
*sighes, shakes his head and walks away*
>
> i have never heard of anything to tacky in my life.
> moulin rouge meets blues brothers?! talk about doing shows
> just to get ticket sales, and not about making good
> entertainment.
>
> $35 for an amateur show???????????????
Exactly. However, there's more! Beware of another certain musical coming up that's charging $48 for an amateur show.
*sighes, shakes his head and walks away*
Mish_LThu, 22 July 2004, 11:31 am
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
HOW DARE YOU ?!?!?!?!
I thought this site was supposed to be about fellow performers encouraging eachother, helping promote eachothers work?? Not cutting people down, judging by the title!!
If you were to come and see the show and give it a bad review your post would at least have some substance, but dont pass judgement on something you havent seen and dampen its reputation!!
Dont hide behind nicknames!! If you have such strong comments and are willing to post them on a website for all to see, at least have the guts to put your name to it!!
I thought this site was supposed to be about fellow performers encouraging eachother, helping promote eachothers work?? Not cutting people down, judging by the title!!
If you were to come and see the show and give it a bad review your post would at least have some substance, but dont pass judgement on something you havent seen and dampen its reputation!!
Dont hide behind nicknames!! If you have such strong comments and are willing to post them on a website for all to see, at least have the guts to put your name to it!!
Walter PlingeThu, 22 July 2004, 02:58 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Hahaha,
Well spotted Tacky. Welcome to the world of Trevor Patient. And he does try your patience to say the least (sorry bad joke i know).The Apparent "west end" director working in Perth (a cliche in its self). All his shows are down to line his pocket with him putting the responsability completly on the cast to sell tickets.
I had this displeasure working with him and refuse to again. Most amature productions are done for love his are for money.
He is rude and disrespectful to cast members and abuses the luck of having talent in his casts. While Some directors are hard to work with but produce good results, he produces mediocre shows that dont even belong busking in the streets of perth.
May I advise performers to stay away from his shows and the International Arts Company. Don't waste your time or talent with him. Allegedly he also preforms without insurance and copyrights.
Currently he is looking for people for "West Side Story" and "A Chorus Line". Beware.
Well spotted Tacky. Welcome to the world of Trevor Patient. And he does try your patience to say the least (sorry bad joke i know).The Apparent "west end" director working in Perth (a cliche in its self). All his shows are down to line his pocket with him putting the responsability completly on the cast to sell tickets.
I had this displeasure working with him and refuse to again. Most amature productions are done for love his are for money.
He is rude and disrespectful to cast members and abuses the luck of having talent in his casts. While Some directors are hard to work with but produce good results, he produces mediocre shows that dont even belong busking in the streets of perth.
May I advise performers to stay away from his shows and the International Arts Company. Don't waste your time or talent with him. Allegedly he also preforms without insurance and copyrights.
Currently he is looking for people for "West Side Story" and "A Chorus Line". Beware.
Walter PlingeFri, 23 July 2004, 09:25 am
Stage Show
Putting aside the scruples of the director or "unclassy" premise. This is actually a fun show. Also, the majority of the audience will be made up of family and friends who certainly do not begrudge the price it costs to buy tickets directly from those involved.
This production involves a very young cast who could be disillusioned to read unnecessary slander on a web site which is meant to be promoting theatre.
Don't get me wrong, I have read, understood and support many of the comments made previously on this on matter. However, fun, energetic theatre is scarce enough in Perth to warrant the criticism of those who try to bring it to fruition.
Judging by the Blues Brothers shows' previous successes in other Perth venues - this show will do just as well.
This production involves a very young cast who could be disillusioned to read unnecessary slander on a web site which is meant to be promoting theatre.
Don't get me wrong, I have read, understood and support many of the comments made previously on this on matter. However, fun, energetic theatre is scarce enough in Perth to warrant the criticism of those who try to bring it to fruition.
Judging by the Blues Brothers shows' previous successes in other Perth venues - this show will do just as well.
Walter PlingeFri, 23 July 2004, 05:10 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Michelle Martinet wrote:
>
> HOW DARE YOU ?!?!?!?!
No. How dare you.
> I thought this site was supposed to be about fellow
> performers encouraging eachother, helping promote eachothers
> work?? Not cutting people down, judging by the title!!
> If you were to come and see the show and give it a bad review
> your post would at least have some substance, but dont pass
> judgement on something you havent seen and dampen its
> reputation!!
Well, my dear, its just that the reputation is already preceeding it, and it's already damp - sopping in fact. Its also covered in mud. Yuck!
> Dont hide behind nicknames!! If you have such strong comments
> and are willing to post them on a website for all to see, at
> least have the guts to put your name to it!!
I didn't.
And if you're going to have another teenage temper tantrum, please do it elsewhere.
>
> HOW DARE YOU ?!?!?!?!
No. How dare you.
> I thought this site was supposed to be about fellow
> performers encouraging eachother, helping promote eachothers
> work?? Not cutting people down, judging by the title!!
> If you were to come and see the show and give it a bad review
> your post would at least have some substance, but dont pass
> judgement on something you havent seen and dampen its
> reputation!!
Well, my dear, its just that the reputation is already preceeding it, and it's already damp - sopping in fact. Its also covered in mud. Yuck!
> Dont hide behind nicknames!! If you have such strong comments
> and are willing to post them on a website for all to see, at
> least have the guts to put your name to it!!
I didn't.
And if you're going to have another teenage temper tantrum, please do it elsewhere.
Walter PlingeSat, 24 July 2004, 11:34 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Post removed 12/11/2004 at the request of
anna.slingsby@bigpond.com
http://theatre.asn.au/read.php?f=21&i=1809&t=1272
anna.slingsby@bigpond.com
http://theatre.asn.au/read.php?f=21&i=1809&t=1272
Walter PlingeMon, 26 July 2004, 08:03 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
You'd better be careful what you put on a public website. Do you have evidence of these statements you are making?
From a legal standpoint, what you are saying is slanderous, and would give the company a strong case to pursue legal action against you.
Do not be so naive to think that just because you use a nickname that your identity is concealed. If the company chose to pursue legal action it would not be difficult to identify you in the slightest.
Be aware that hardcopy of all your postings have been made and should you feel it necessary to continue your slanderous comments then they may be used in evidence against you should the company choose to take this matter to court.
Walter PlingeMon, 26 July 2004, 08:57 pm
Re: Stage Show
Thanks Karena... I am and have been involved in this company for over a year now. I am passionate about the arts and have found pure enjoyment, growth and satisfaction from rehearsals and shows alike.
We are given tremendous opportunities in various areas (not just performing) and whoever spoke previously about not auditioning... take it from me you have to demonstrate your abilities and commitment that you have to offer (like any other company - professional or otherwise I imagine).
Moulin Blues is a fabulous show and the cast, muscians and director have put in tireless efforts to create a fabulous show for the people of Perth.
The International Arts Company has some tremendous talented performers (singers, actors and dancers) that have the passion of those who read this website - to perform for an audience!
We are given tremendous opportunities in various areas (not just performing) and whoever spoke previously about not auditioning... take it from me you have to demonstrate your abilities and commitment that you have to offer (like any other company - professional or otherwise I imagine).
Moulin Blues is a fabulous show and the cast, muscians and director have put in tireless efforts to create a fabulous show for the people of Perth.
The International Arts Company has some tremendous talented performers (singers, actors and dancers) that have the passion of those who read this website - to perform for an audience!
Walter PlingeMon, 26 July 2004, 09:06 pm
Re: Stage Show
I hope you are prepared to eat your words "Tacky" and "Over International Arts" because the internet police are on to you already. You had better have plenty of evidence to back up the slanderous statements you have made on this site. You are easily traceable (and this is happening as this is being written), although you try to hide behind an alias so that you can make gutless and unfounded statements.
Walter PlingeMon, 26 July 2004, 09:58 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
no, the reason why you have a nickname is because you are a gutless, coward
Walter PlingeMon, 26 July 2004, 10:24 pm
Re: Stage Show
I know for a fact that without insurance and copyright it is extremely difficult to book and hire a theatre (especially the regal).
People that are involved with the international arts company and Trevor Patient have a passion for the arts and enjoy the experiences that they gain through these shows. I would think that if people didn't feel this way, they would not be involved simple as that! There is no need for slanderism and scrutiny on a website such as this which in my opinion was designed for positive encouragement and reinforcment to support theatre arts in perth!!!!
People have their own minds and can make their own judments about things. Tacky, you need to find something else to keep yourself busy, because it seems as though you have nothing to do but whinge, whinge, whinge.
Restecpa!!
People that are involved with the international arts company and Trevor Patient have a passion for the arts and enjoy the experiences that they gain through these shows. I would think that if people didn't feel this way, they would not be involved simple as that! There is no need for slanderism and scrutiny on a website such as this which in my opinion was designed for positive encouragement and reinforcment to support theatre arts in perth!!!!
People have their own minds and can make their own judments about things. Tacky, you need to find something else to keep yourself busy, because it seems as though you have nothing to do but whinge, whinge, whinge.
Restecpa!!
crgwllmsTue, 27 July 2004, 12:06 am
Liable to
BE CAREFUL wrote:
>
> From a legal standpoint, what you are saying is slanderous,
> and would give the company a strong case to pursue legal
> action against you.
>
No, from a legal standpoint there would be no grounds for a case based on slander.
However I'd be thinking of either retracting my statements, finding some very hard evidence, or skipping the country, to avoid the potential case to pursue legal action against you based on LIBEL.
Cheers,
Craig
[%sig%]
>
> From a legal standpoint, what you are saying is slanderous,
> and would give the company a strong case to pursue legal
> action against you.
>
No, from a legal standpoint there would be no grounds for a case based on slander.
However I'd be thinking of either retracting my statements, finding some very hard evidence, or skipping the country, to avoid the potential case to pursue legal action against you based on LIBEL.
Cheers,
Craig
[%sig%]
Walter PlingeTue, 27 July 2004, 10:43 am
Re: Stage Show
To all those out there who havent been involved with the show......I appoligise for the slanderous minconceptions of a great company. I have been involved with the company since its beginings and yes, it has had its ups and downs ,but to say any of the shows are tripe, is wrong. Every show has been through with a fine tooth comb and perfected as much as possible. It is true that most of the cast are young ametures trying to give it a go, but to say that they arn't worth seeing is pure utter crap. Trevor has taken these young talented hopefulls and given them a chance to be seen in something worth going to see. Every other amaetur perth show I have been to, or have been in, haven't even come close to the high standard of perfomance like the International Arts Company. If you have even been involved in the making of a production (from a production team point of view) then you would know how much hard work goes into a show. So of course stress is a major factor when you have alot on your plate and from what I have seen, running a show by yourself is hard work. I wouldn't want to do it.
As for the company and its legal situation....the company has been legal from the begining, how do you think a company can even step foot in a theatre without insurance and buisness registation? So it pays "tacky" to try and get the facts correct before slagging off someone. Just another question....is it jealousy that drives your slanderous mouth to proceed with nasty comments? Is it that you wern't good enough or too headstrong to follow intructions so you were axed from the show? No-one writes something with so much hatred passion without a reason. Usually of revenge.....
As for the company and its legal situation....the company has been legal from the begining, how do you think a company can even step foot in a theatre without insurance and buisness registation? So it pays "tacky" to try and get the facts correct before slagging off someone. Just another question....is it jealousy that drives your slanderous mouth to proceed with nasty comments? Is it that you wern't good enough or too headstrong to follow intructions so you were axed from the show? No-one writes something with so much hatred passion without a reason. Usually of revenge.....
Walter PlingeTue, 27 July 2004, 11:08 am
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
"Tacky" do you even know the difference between ameature and professional? One involves cast being paid...the other doesn't. Most people getting involved with the company know the difference.
As for costumes. The cast are asked to find some of their costumes, not all. They usually involve just clothes from your own wardrobe. For those who want to go out and spend large sums of money on costumes to look good, thats their own problem. Each costume I have needed has either come from an op shop for $2 or out of my draw. So the logic is there isn't it?
Moulin blues will be a spectacular......so why dont you put your money where your mouth is and then try and review the show? Or are you just more bark than bite?
As for costumes. The cast are asked to find some of their costumes, not all. They usually involve just clothes from your own wardrobe. For those who want to go out and spend large sums of money on costumes to look good, thats their own problem. Each costume I have needed has either come from an op shop for $2 or out of my draw. So the logic is there isn't it?
Moulin blues will be a spectacular......so why dont you put your money where your mouth is and then try and review the show? Or are you just more bark than bite?
Walter PlingeTue, 27 July 2004, 12:39 pm
Oh, Tacky, what a mess!
The aptly named Tacky wrote:
Hi, Tacky. My name's Anna. I don't believe we've met....which tells me how closely you've been involved with the company in the past year. Of course, please do correct me if I'm wrong, but I'll bet I know the company better than you, which puts me in a reasonable position to comment on your libellous posts - that is, in advance of doing anything I can to assist the company in pursuing legal action on this matter.
Wow. Well, congratulations - you've now topped my list of the most ill-informed, unsubstantiated overuse of derivatives of the term 'legal' I've ever seen. And I work for a law firm.
I don't believe it really matters what you feel you have a right to do, Tacky. What matters in this environment includes commitment, passion, encouragement, common professional courtesy, and OK, if you're going to force the issue, the law. Yes, that's the same John Law that armed you with the inappropriately and unlawfully applied terms "illegal" and "legally" above.
Trevor Patient is just bad.>
Oh dear. Convincing argument. However, given your previous thoughts have apparently driven you to post extremely unwise comments in a public forum, my faith in your ability to "think of" the worst or best company is somewhat dimmed.
Well, Tacky, actually I think you've done a pretty good job shredding your credibility all by your li'l self.
Maybe you saw me perform in the Blues Brothers show in Mandurah last year, or perhaps (since you did say you've been in one show and seen two others) you saw me as part of the Fame cast in March. That's my character's name on this post. I had a ball in both shows, and was proud of my involvement (and yes, that includes months of set-building and other production team work - what a fantastic experience and new set of skills I have now), and of the final product. And I can let you know that the audition process I went through for Fame was the most gruelling I've ever experienced in over fifteen years of amateur and professional performing.
And did you know that some theatre companies are actually just that? Do you know what that can mean, Tacky? It means that in some cases, theatre companies will build a 'company' of regular performers through intensive auditions, who are then used again in subsequent shows without needing to go through from-scratch auditions as if they were unknown to the director? Tricky thing, common sense, isn't it?
Look out, International Arts Company, the Tacky Army is upon you.
Good luck, Tacky. Do your worst. Karma will look after you, if the law doesn't first.
Oh, and I thought it was because you are a coward. But not wanting to "live out the insults" you bring upon yourself by spewing malicious libel anonymously into a public arena is a totally different thing. Sure.
Don't kid yourself, Tacky - your views aren't strong, rather they are so lacking in substance they are positively flaccid.
Looking forward to seeing the show myself. Chookas, Moulin Blues!
Cheers
Anna
Walter PlingeTue, 27 July 2004, 12:49 pm
Over Law and Order
The charming and convincing Over wrote:
I know Trevor Patient quite well myself, and I can fairly safely assert that he hasn't pre-formed anything at all in the time I've known him.
And perhaps you need to limit your Channel Ten night-time viewing from now on if you are planning to continue making statements such as the above in a public forum. Just because you use the word "allegedly" at the beginning of a libellous statement, doesn't mean it's anyone else's responsibility but your own that the statement was made. Nor does it demonstrate that you understanding the meaning of the word.
That's true even if you say it in an American accent, just like Jack McCoy.
And who knows? If you spent less time learning pseudo-legal-speak from US cop shows, perhaps you'd have more time to think about what you write before you post it?
Chookas to all in Moulin Blues, sounds like it's going to be a terrific show!
Cheers
Anna
I know Trevor Patient quite well myself, and I can fairly safely assert that he hasn't pre-formed anything at all in the time I've known him.
And perhaps you need to limit your Channel Ten night-time viewing from now on if you are planning to continue making statements such as the above in a public forum. Just because you use the word "allegedly" at the beginning of a libellous statement, doesn't mean it's anyone else's responsibility but your own that the statement was made. Nor does it demonstrate that you understanding the meaning of the word.
That's true even if you say it in an American accent, just like Jack McCoy.
And who knows? If you spent less time learning pseudo-legal-speak from US cop shows, perhaps you'd have more time to think about what you write before you post it?
Chookas to all in Moulin Blues, sounds like it's going to be a terrific show!
Cheers
Anna
RidiculousWed, 28 July 2004, 08:53 am
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
And who exactly are you? Oh thatÂ’s right, a gutless wonder wasting everybody's time by writing utter slanderous garbage on a website designed to encourage and promote amateur theatre to the youth of Perth. And if you really have such strong views, why donÂ’t you become and adult and have it out with Trevor face to face instead of airing your dirty laundry on this website?!
Wow, it amazes me that Tacky is so well informed when they have only worked in one show! If my dear, you were so concerned about insurance, why did you stay in the show? Obviously the Concert Hall, Regal Theatre, Mandurah Theatre and the Playhouse have absolutely no idea how to run their theatres and just let anyone walk in and put on a show. Thank you yet again, for giving me a good hearty laugh at your stupidity! And do you really think that Australia would allow an “illegal” to register a company!
You truly are a special individual arenÂ’t you? I have worked in EVERY show Trevor has put on in Perth and yet, I donÂ’t know everyone in Moulin Blues, because many of them are new to the show and havenÂ’t worked with Trevor before.
<2 people meet in a café>
Funny, coz I have a script right in front of me and there is absolutely NOTHING even related to a café in the show. And the audience applause yet another priceless Tacky fabrication!
At what point did you forget that this is AMATEUR THEATRE and not the West End? I think you will be hard pressed to find ANY amateur theatre group that pays their cast. I have been performing in and out of Australia now for 7 years and I have never been paid and donÂ’t expect to get paid. The point that Tacky so obviously missed is that people who perform in amateur theatre do so out of a passion for the industry and not because they consider themselves to be the next big thing!
< Trevor goes off at cast members for not selling tickets>
I have been at every rehearsal where Trevor has asked us to push for ticket sales, hmmmm, what a bad man he is to ask such a thing! Who better to sell the show than those participating in it, who can enthuse about it because they believe in it.
What’s your point? All my friends and family love to see my shows whether it costs them $18 or $35 – I take it your family have a budget when it comes to watching your shows – well that explains a lot!
What Tacky fails to mention to you good people reading these messages is that every show put on by the International Arts Company is financed by Trevor himself and I canÂ’t think of any theatre company that puts on a show with the intention of losing money.
So those 10 boxes of bought props came from where Tacky? As for costumes, if you have imagination, it really shouldn’t be a problem. And Lynda is obviously a figment of my imagination – she’s the DESIGNER that we don’t have! I found assisting with the set very rewarding and it’s called teamwork Tacky, maybe you should familiarise yourself with the meaning
I wouldnÂ’t hold your breath Tacky. Most people know the difference between a bitter, twisted and obviously jealous outburst in comparison to constructive and factual criticism. I am sure that they will be as amused as I am at your very poor attempt to discredit a very clever and successful director and his company.
Wow, you are a master of the English language arenÂ’t you? Obviously you didnÂ’t attend any of the scheduled rehearsals that took place every week and that sometimes went for 6 and 7 hours.
Really? Because from where IÂ’m sitting you have no right whatsoever. YouÂ’ve been in one show (big deal) and obviously found it hard to take instructions from someone that obviously knows more about theatre than you do. You have no business passing judgment on anything you havenÂ’t seen, so why donÂ’t you put your money where your mouth is and come along. IÂ’m sure the cast would just love to meet you and hear your very opinionated, pointless and unsubstantiated views.
I have worked in Civic Halls, small Rep Companies and IÂ’ve done shows with Trevor and I have to say that after being privileged enough to participate in TÂ’s shows, I would find it very hard to enjoy the Civic centres as much as I do in a real theatre and only Trevor has been able to make that happen.
As for the cast not auditioning, it's not even worth the effort of responding - you don't know what you're talking about. Sour because you didn't get in Tacky?
This is a very fun & entertaining show (hence the point of any show, despite what Tacky thinks) and I look forward to being a part of it. Oh and thanks for your support Anna, youÂ’re a star!
I would just like to say thank you to Tacky on behalf of the cast and crew for promoting the show, because sweetheart, in your own very special way you have managed to get everybody talking about the show and therefore you have advertised it marvellously!
Walter PlingeWed, 28 July 2004, 01:20 pm
Re: Over Law and Order
Very rarely do I feel a need to reply to such postings. Quite often I simply view the facts and reviews of shows I have seen or indeed been a part of. But every now and then something comes up that you just can't ignore.
A lot of negative things have been said about both Trevor and his company. Let me tell you, I have locked horns with Trevor on many an occasion and have probably called him by many names....many of them in French, however, tell me you knockers out there, who else is giving young actors, singers and musicians the opportunity to be involved in greatly entertaining shows and to perform in some of the best venues in PERTH. What price do you put on that?
It also concerns me greatly that there is obviously people out there putting guns to people's heads forcing them to come into the theatre to see Trevor's shows. Quite obviously, according to those negative few the cost of the shows are far to great and the likelyhood of patrons coming on their own accord is small.
Get over it guys, put you personal dislikes aside and let people who want to entertain, entertain!
A lot of negative things have been said about both Trevor and his company. Let me tell you, I have locked horns with Trevor on many an occasion and have probably called him by many names....many of them in French, however, tell me you knockers out there, who else is giving young actors, singers and musicians the opportunity to be involved in greatly entertaining shows and to perform in some of the best venues in PERTH. What price do you put on that?
It also concerns me greatly that there is obviously people out there putting guns to people's heads forcing them to come into the theatre to see Trevor's shows. Quite obviously, according to those negative few the cost of the shows are far to great and the likelyhood of patrons coming on their own accord is small.
Get over it guys, put you personal dislikes aside and let people who want to entertain, entertain!
Walter PlingeThu, 29 July 2004, 10:09 pm
Re: Over Law and Order
HAHAHHHAHAHHHHAAHHAHAHAHAHahahahahaha (to "Tacky")
heathieFri, 30 July 2004, 07:01 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Don't want to live out the insults?? More likely CAN'T HANDLE THEM!!!!!
Grow up Tacky, and stop sponging off Simon Holt's messages, or is this another of the alleged Craig Williams and Drama Queen fellowships.
I think you are a case of like (nick)name, like nature.
Thou gorbellied earth-vexing clack-dish!
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heathieFri, 30 July 2004, 07:13 pm
Re: Tacky's Mess (sounds like a good title for a farce)
Angelique/Grant/Melz
After all of the comments that "Not happy TACKY" has made, which are libellous to Trevor, and the ITC, couldn't someone block her membership??? Or will it be enough that anything else she posts will be ignored by anyone who has read "Moulin Blues!!!!!!" etc? Not even the "insults" on this site are as libellous as what s\he has said. Maybe we could create a few more insults with TACKY as the noun or the verb
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BockSat, 31 July 2004, 04:39 pm
Disbelief & Disgust
Seems "Moulin Blues" has attracted its fair share of controversey and more free publicity to the target audience, being theatre goers and participants, than expected. As a current cast member i am disgusted and quite shocked that somebody, "Tacky", Has the audasity to come into a public forum and openly bag a show that they have never seen and bag the performers who many of which they would of met face to face. Yes "Tacky" this is an amateur show with an amateur company which we all knew when we signed up. Not once has anyone said it isnt and you have to start somewhere and like many others have said if you have the ability and want to give it shot where better than in amateur theatre. trevor and the company provide an oppurtunity for these young people to do so. One thing i was told while studying the certificate in music theatre at WAAPA is that you get out what you put in regardless of who does it and where it is done. This forum is to promote and review past and upcoming shows so i find it hard to understand how "Tacky" you can comment on the talent or entertainment value of this show.sounds as though "Tacky" you have a large case of "bear with a burnt arse" syndrome. unlike yourself i am not scared to put my name to what i have to say so if you do know me feel free to contact me and we can discuss this in person. As a cast member i consider this my work and i could not sit back and let someone as uneducated and ill informed as yourself "Tacky" bag a fun full of energy show that everyone has worked so hard on. This show will Rock ya socks off!!!!
I feel sorry for you Tacky......
Have a good one
Ryan
I feel sorry for you Tacky......
Have a good one
Ryan
Walter PlingeSun, 1 Aug 2004, 03:05 pm
Professional Vs Amateur
It doesn't seem that long ago, that another amateur theatre company was being 'discussed' with regards to its legitimacy for charging high prices for shows when the cast were not paid (or compensated in any way). That company being Omnibus - and whatever the name of the alleged 'rehashed' company was.
I think the professional V Amateur debate has gone on for so long now it warrants its own discussion thread where everyone can have a _healthy_ discussion, as opposed to making allegations against certain individuals, be them founded or unfounded.
At the end of the day, I think we need to accept that for the immediate future the only big shows that can be classified as 'professional' are shows where the cast is a touring cast from the Eastern states (usually minus the usual lead characters). It's a sad fact, but Perth just doesn't seem big enough to sustain any big scale production with an entirely local cast. We get the odd big scale touring show - but it's only ever tended to be one at a time - which sucks.
Whilst in the UK recently, I heard about the auditions that were coming up for the UK and Northern Ireland touring cast of "Mamma Mia"; "Mary Poppins" and the Woman In White (the new Lloyd Webber Musical - sorry if I got the name wrong). They were paid positions - but I didn't audition, as I was on my way back home. But it was great to know that Paid theatre work was going on somewhere in the world. It was great to know that the 'wares' that we have to offer were being appreciated somewhere in the world.
So how come paid casts were available? Because people fly from all over the world to see shows in the UK. The theatre productions are able to offer their cast money because they have the audience available to support them. I wonder whether Perth would be in a similar position. I'm sorry - but i've never heard anyone who has flown to Perth to see a show (though my Nan was coincidentally flying in from England around the time I was doing a show!)
We have already seen some good quality pro-am companies go by the way side due to a fall in audience numbers, and insufficient funds. Which as I have said, sucks.
So instead, we have a plethora of amateur theatre companies willing to fill the void (and perhaps lining their own pockets) in order to atleast offer the Perth public some form of showcase of Perth talent. And in my humble opinion that is great. So long as the company in the first place is not alleging to be offering money for the cast, and then that never eventuates. I also believe that the people who do accept cast positions in amateur theatre are doing so because they love acting, and like the non-monetary rewards that they receive. Not to mention the experience they will get in the industry so that they are then able to offer even more should they ever leave the shores of perth for a brighter future in paid theatre. So long as the theatre company is then able to make a further contribution to the industry by using the money made in order to put on further shows, I can't see a problem with amateur theatre.
As I mentioned, I find it highly unlikely we will get any shows to pay the cast any money in the near future. If an actor is truly serious, and wanting to make a living out of acting, I think it is highly unlikely that they will be wanting to stay in Perth. Instead, sadly they will need to go over east to either Melbourne or Sydney or indeed internationally to London or the USA.
It's terrible, but Theatre (in Perth atleast) appears to be the poor cousin of the acting industry.
And if someone is wanting to Act and perform solely for the means of some form of monetary compensation, surely they are doing it for the wrong reasons?
I am not sure whether my Drama teacher was quoting someone else, but when I was at North Lake Children's Theatre back when I was knee high to a grass hopper (though some would argue I haven't grown much!!) the teacher always told me that "The greatest, most rewarding sound to an actor is the sound of applause, and the greatest most rewarding sight, that of a standing ovation".
A philosophy I subscribe to whenever I am contemplating doing a show.
Anyway - just thought i'd throw my two cents in.
James
I think the professional V Amateur debate has gone on for so long now it warrants its own discussion thread where everyone can have a _healthy_ discussion, as opposed to making allegations against certain individuals, be them founded or unfounded.
At the end of the day, I think we need to accept that for the immediate future the only big shows that can be classified as 'professional' are shows where the cast is a touring cast from the Eastern states (usually minus the usual lead characters). It's a sad fact, but Perth just doesn't seem big enough to sustain any big scale production with an entirely local cast. We get the odd big scale touring show - but it's only ever tended to be one at a time - which sucks.
Whilst in the UK recently, I heard about the auditions that were coming up for the UK and Northern Ireland touring cast of "Mamma Mia"; "Mary Poppins" and the Woman In White (the new Lloyd Webber Musical - sorry if I got the name wrong). They were paid positions - but I didn't audition, as I was on my way back home. But it was great to know that Paid theatre work was going on somewhere in the world. It was great to know that the 'wares' that we have to offer were being appreciated somewhere in the world.
So how come paid casts were available? Because people fly from all over the world to see shows in the UK. The theatre productions are able to offer their cast money because they have the audience available to support them. I wonder whether Perth would be in a similar position. I'm sorry - but i've never heard anyone who has flown to Perth to see a show (though my Nan was coincidentally flying in from England around the time I was doing a show!)
We have already seen some good quality pro-am companies go by the way side due to a fall in audience numbers, and insufficient funds. Which as I have said, sucks.
So instead, we have a plethora of amateur theatre companies willing to fill the void (and perhaps lining their own pockets) in order to atleast offer the Perth public some form of showcase of Perth talent. And in my humble opinion that is great. So long as the company in the first place is not alleging to be offering money for the cast, and then that never eventuates. I also believe that the people who do accept cast positions in amateur theatre are doing so because they love acting, and like the non-monetary rewards that they receive. Not to mention the experience they will get in the industry so that they are then able to offer even more should they ever leave the shores of perth for a brighter future in paid theatre. So long as the theatre company is then able to make a further contribution to the industry by using the money made in order to put on further shows, I can't see a problem with amateur theatre.
As I mentioned, I find it highly unlikely we will get any shows to pay the cast any money in the near future. If an actor is truly serious, and wanting to make a living out of acting, I think it is highly unlikely that they will be wanting to stay in Perth. Instead, sadly they will need to go over east to either Melbourne or Sydney or indeed internationally to London or the USA.
It's terrible, but Theatre (in Perth atleast) appears to be the poor cousin of the acting industry.
And if someone is wanting to Act and perform solely for the means of some form of monetary compensation, surely they are doing it for the wrong reasons?
I am not sure whether my Drama teacher was quoting someone else, but when I was at North Lake Children's Theatre back when I was knee high to a grass hopper (though some would argue I haven't grown much!!) the teacher always told me that "The greatest, most rewarding sound to an actor is the sound of applause, and the greatest most rewarding sight, that of a standing ovation".
A philosophy I subscribe to whenever I am contemplating doing a show.
Anyway - just thought i'd throw my two cents in.
James
Walter PlingeSun, 1 Aug 2004, 08:31 pm
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
Amateurs do it because they want to.
Professionals do it because they have to.
What I mean by that is that a professional is fulfilling an absolute need to do it... an all-consuming passion that if not satisfied, would leave their lives with little, if any, meaning.
Amateurs - for all that there are some brilliant ones out there, with more than enough talent to make the distance in bigger circles - haven't got the same furious ontological drive. They're quite happy for it to be a hobby.
That's about as simple a definition as I can come up with.
dm.
(If you want to know what I'm talking about, rent the movie "Camp", and you'll get it. Call me a big ol' sook, but I bawled when the fat girl sang to her parents.)
Professionals do it because they have to.
What I mean by that is that a professional is fulfilling an absolute need to do it... an all-consuming passion that if not satisfied, would leave their lives with little, if any, meaning.
Amateurs - for all that there are some brilliant ones out there, with more than enough talent to make the distance in bigger circles - haven't got the same furious ontological drive. They're quite happy for it to be a hobby.
That's about as simple a definition as I can come up with.
dm.
(If you want to know what I'm talking about, rent the movie "Camp", and you'll get it. Call me a big ol' sook, but I bawled when the fat girl sang to her parents.)
Walter PlingeMon, 2 Aug 2004, 12:11 pm
Re: Previous Comments
After much reading of replies to my post and consideration of statements I have made about Trevor Patient and The International Arts Company I have decided ithat these comments were not suitable and I have to not quote a "Law and ORder" Term taken back my statments (Aka Retracting the Statement).
As I do not have the resources to prove this, the posting has also drawn more hype for the show itself which was not what I was intending on. However looking from an objective point of view this is a plus for the cast as no one likes to play to an empty house.
My comments were not objective and were driven by other events around me. Leading to a reaction to a post by someone else. I apologise to any cast members who may have been offended.
I agree with comments made that we should be using this forum to promote Theatre in Australia and encourage young performers.
I do still feel Trevor Patient is not a man i would work with or recoommend but hey, if you are happy to work with him congratulations for having a lot more Patience then me.
Here is hoping the cast enjoys themselves because once its on stage its your baby not his.
Sincerely
"Over International Arts"
As I do not have the resources to prove this, the posting has also drawn more hype for the show itself which was not what I was intending on. However looking from an objective point of view this is a plus for the cast as no one likes to play to an empty house.
My comments were not objective and were driven by other events around me. Leading to a reaction to a post by someone else. I apologise to any cast members who may have been offended.
I agree with comments made that we should be using this forum to promote Theatre in Australia and encourage young performers.
I do still feel Trevor Patient is not a man i would work with or recoommend but hey, if you are happy to work with him congratulations for having a lot more Patience then me.
Here is hoping the cast enjoys themselves because once its on stage its your baby not his.
Sincerely
"Over International Arts"
Walter PlingeMon, 2 Aug 2004, 05:27 pm
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
An even simpler definition:
Professionals get paid!
Amateurs don't.
Professionals get paid!
Amateurs don't.
Walter PlingeMon, 2 Aug 2004, 08:44 pm
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
andrew3 wrote:
>
> An even simpler definition:
>
> Professionals get paid!
> Amateurs don't.
The word for that definition is "simplistic", not "simple".
I have worked with many professionals who were toiling unpaid, and more than a few amateurs who were pulling a wage for their "efforts".
It' a state of mind, pure and simple. Money doesn't even come close.
Sorry to break it to you, my friend, but no-one who's been in this business beyond a couple of years would attach much weight to your theory.
(Except maybe to help it sink.)
dm.
>
> An even simpler definition:
>
> Professionals get paid!
> Amateurs don't.
The word for that definition is "simplistic", not "simple".
I have worked with many professionals who were toiling unpaid, and more than a few amateurs who were pulling a wage for their "efforts".
It' a state of mind, pure and simple. Money doesn't even come close.
Sorry to break it to you, my friend, but no-one who's been in this business beyond a couple of years would attach much weight to your theory.
(Except maybe to help it sink.)
dm.
crgwllmsTue, 3 Aug 2004, 12:56 am
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
the meddoes wrote:
>
> andrew3 wrote:
> >
> > Professionals get paid!
> > Amateurs don't.
>
> The word for that definition is "simplistic", not "simple".
>
> I have worked with many professionals who were toiling
> unpaid, and more than a few amateurs who were pulling a wage
> for their "efforts".
> It's a state of mind, pure and simple. Money doesn't even come
> close.
> Sorry to break it to you, my friend, but no-one who's been in
> this business beyond a couple of years would attach much
> weight to your theory.
> (Except maybe to help it sink.)
By way of illustration of David's point:
I belong to the MEAA union (Equity section) as a professional actor. They have a scaled structure that allows reduced dues payable by anyone who earns less than a certain figure from the industry.
I virtually earn my entire living from acting, so I didn't qualify for the reduced rate...and in terms of my annual income, the dues for a year were a quite significant percentage of that income.
Someone else I know got paid to be in an ad, and so also joined the Union last year. The amount they earned from the industry was relatively small, being an 'amateur' (doing it for the love of it). So they only paid the significantly reduced rates. However, this person has another job where they earn pretty well double my total annual income. In terms of percentages, the reduced fees were quite an insignificant portion of their entire income.
Both he and I agree that I can only be classified as a professional actor, while he can only really be seen as an amateur, despite him earning something for his commercial, and me doing the occasional gig where I earn bugger all.
Yet in the above scenario where I am only comparing gross annual income against the dues payable to be considered a professional actor, I'm the one who is barely earning anything, while the amateur is doing fine, thank you.
(My definition of professional actor here is the same as the tax office's and the CES jobtest....belonging to the actor's union; having an agent seeking work on my behalf; and demonstrating a portfolio of work that justifies calling yourself an actor.)
The professional's hardly being paid...which damages your take on things.
I don't like it, so I do try to get better pay while remaining a professional actor.....but I find I CAN'T really put myself into any alternative industry.
So I find David's definition to be ringing true.
Cheers,
Craig
>
> andrew3 wrote:
> >
> > Professionals get paid!
> > Amateurs don't.
>
> The word for that definition is "simplistic", not "simple".
>
> I have worked with many professionals who were toiling
> unpaid, and more than a few amateurs who were pulling a wage
> for their "efforts".
> It's a state of mind, pure and simple. Money doesn't even come
> close.
> Sorry to break it to you, my friend, but no-one who's been in
> this business beyond a couple of years would attach much
> weight to your theory.
> (Except maybe to help it sink.)
By way of illustration of David's point:
I belong to the MEAA union (Equity section) as a professional actor. They have a scaled structure that allows reduced dues payable by anyone who earns less than a certain figure from the industry.
I virtually earn my entire living from acting, so I didn't qualify for the reduced rate...and in terms of my annual income, the dues for a year were a quite significant percentage of that income.
Someone else I know got paid to be in an ad, and so also joined the Union last year. The amount they earned from the industry was relatively small, being an 'amateur' (doing it for the love of it). So they only paid the significantly reduced rates. However, this person has another job where they earn pretty well double my total annual income. In terms of percentages, the reduced fees were quite an insignificant portion of their entire income.
Both he and I agree that I can only be classified as a professional actor, while he can only really be seen as an amateur, despite him earning something for his commercial, and me doing the occasional gig where I earn bugger all.
Yet in the above scenario where I am only comparing gross annual income against the dues payable to be considered a professional actor, I'm the one who is barely earning anything, while the amateur is doing fine, thank you.
(My definition of professional actor here is the same as the tax office's and the CES jobtest....belonging to the actor's union; having an agent seeking work on my behalf; and demonstrating a portfolio of work that justifies calling yourself an actor.)
The professional's hardly being paid...which damages your take on things.
I don't like it, so I do try to get better pay while remaining a professional actor.....but I find I CAN'T really put myself into any alternative industry.
So I find David's definition to be ringing true.
Cheers,
Craig
RidiculousTue, 3 Aug 2004, 01:40 pm
Re: Previous Comments
I would just like to thank all those people who have taken the time to come to the defence of Trevor and the International Arts Company.
I would also like to pass my personal thanks to "Over International Arts Company" for being big enough to step up to the mark and admit that they may have been somewhat misguided in respect of some of their statements concerning Trevor and the IAC. I respect your courage to retract your previous statements and thank you for doing so.
And I guess the final question is..........................where's Tacky? Seems our dear friend has disappeared. Hopefully we can now get back to promoting ALL amateur theatre in Perth :o)
Chookas to everyone on Saturday!
I would also like to pass my personal thanks to "Over International Arts Company" for being big enough to step up to the mark and admit that they may have been somewhat misguided in respect of some of their statements concerning Trevor and the IAC. I respect your courage to retract your previous statements and thank you for doing so.
And I guess the final question is..........................where's Tacky? Seems our dear friend has disappeared. Hopefully we can now get back to promoting ALL amateur theatre in Perth :o)
Chookas to everyone on Saturday!
Walter PlingeThu, 5 Aug 2004, 07:53 am
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
I'm not an actor but I am a Lighting Designer and Production Manager. I have recently returned to Oz after 10 years in the UK. I'm a professional, i.e I earn the largets proportion of my income from the performing arts I am a member of MEAA etc. I agree entirely that Professional versus amatuer is largely attitude with one major other point. When appearing in or designing shows is your bread and butter you cannot choose to do them. Well, not always. The rent must be paid food must be bought. Incidently, i recently lit a production of 42nd Street gratis for an amatuer company because I love the show. Hey Ho.
Walter PlingeFri, 6 Aug 2004, 03:56 pm
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
Just urging those who have participated in this so called discussion of amateur theatre and the Moulin Blues show, to come and see the production and how much talent we have in WA. It is certainly worth the 35 dollars. Book through BOCS tickets. Regal theatre this Sat 8pm.
See you there!!
See you there!!
IngridTue, 10 Aug 2004, 01:27 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Great show guys!!!! I certainly got my moneys worth...
Oh - and a BIG thankyou to Trevor. My daughter thrives to be on the stage but up until you came along shows were very far and few between. Bravo for your hard work and dedication to the kids and adult performers of WA. We need you here.
Oh - and a BIG thankyou to Trevor. My daughter thrives to be on the stage but up until you came along shows were very far and few between. Bravo for your hard work and dedication to the kids and adult performers of WA. We need you here.
Walter PlingeTue, 10 Aug 2004, 03:15 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
I watched with pride my grand-daughter, my friend's daughter, and another's son perform in this show. I was totally "gob-smacked" by the performance and dedication of this cast and crew. Thankyou Trevor and all those involved in bringing this to Stage. I know how much hard work would have gone into this.
All I can say is "as this show left me with the same feeling of euphoria that I experienced recently when I saw Hugh Jackman in Boy from Oz on Broadway" I can only have been enriched by this experience, and for a lot cheaper too!
Do I detect sour grapes somewhere? my years of working in the Barossa Valley left me with some experience of that lingering odour. Still - we all have our opinions and that is good.
I will see it again !!
LibbyWed, 11 Aug 2004, 03:54 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
YEAH I SECOND THAT TREVOR IS AN A**HOLE
LibbyWed, 11 Aug 2004, 04:22 pm
MOULIN BLUES
i have a done a couple of shows with this company and i think its bullshit we pay for our own costumes and alot end up spending hundreds.
we get nothing not even a card nothing he never shows his appreciation makes us pay for everything and then he goes and yellss at us saying that its looking like a $5 show not a $30 show. WELL FU**IN bring the prices down SH*t Head. Me and a friend actually worked out how much money he would get paid and it turns out he makes a fu**in fortune. well how about given some of that to the CAST you SELFISH PR*CK
Thats ALL Folks
"LIBBY"
stuartThu, 12 Aug 2004, 02:29 pm
Re: Professional Vs Amateur
I've just finished reading all of the comments regarding Moulin Blues. My name is Stu and I was Jake in Moulin Blues, and every other Blues Brothers production to date. I have been singing with various bands and shows for 15 years. For the record, I consider myself as a professional, not an ameteur, and yes, I did get paid for my part in the production. I absolutely loved Moulin Blues, it was fantastic, musically and visually. There is some incredible talent in the show and considering the time restrictions, and the huge cast, I think Trevor's efforts have been quiite extraordinary. I have huge respect for Trevor, and the cast of the show for all wanting to make the production the best it can be every time we put on a show. As for this 'Tacky' character, well I don't know who the hell you are, but I'd love for you to come and see me so I can tell you personally what I think of the absolute dribble youv'e been coming up with!!! Just so you know, You have had no success at all of hurting the show, it was a huge success, and I challenge you, or anybody else for that matter, to tell me otherwise. If you have ever actually been part of the show like you said you were, I'm pretty bloody sure everone will be glad you are not in it now. When they do find out who you are, you're going to find it very difficult to get any more work in Perth, that's for sure. Anyway, I would like to thank Trevor and the cast, also the people who have stuck up for us on this website. I look forward to the next International Arts production!
Walter PlingeSun, 15 Aug 2004, 12:19 am
Re: MOULIN BLUES
Me and a friend?????
Gee it sounds as though you was brung up real good!!
My friend and I......
Gee it sounds as though you was brung up real good!!
My friend and I......
Walter PlingeSun, 15 Aug 2004, 08:25 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
(*sigh*. . . how entertaining to read all of the above )
Anyway, anyway, that's not what I wanted to say. What I wanted to say was-- I saw Moulin Blues and I loved it!
I loved all the twists and local references in the script, the band were really tight, the singing was "all that" and more, the Moulin Rouge staging and costuming especially was like-- wheesh!, and for a "one night stand" I thought it went pretty un-hicuppy. And of course, these guys played all my favourite songs (though c'mon-- why cut "Sweet Home Chicago" off before the solos? Man!), and though the guy next to me was an absolute prude, I really had a lot of fun.
I also managed to convince some friends to come along (who hated Moulin Rouge and hadn't seen the Blues Brothers movies before) on the grounds that it would be "heaps fun", and they really enjoyed it! (ESPECIALLY the Rouge bit! How do you like that?!) A testiment (sp?) to the work and effort of everyone involved.
PYT and IA shows are always fun though, aren't they? I'm kicking myself for not going to see Fame, but I saw the other two B.B shows and I was completely wow!-ed by them. The first one at the Playhouse was the best, and I don't think I'm being biased. It was everything I love about the Blues-- It was fun, and so cool, everyone was really into it and enjoying themselves (none of this arguing crap), and of course a lot of great music. Perth's not such a bad little town for talent :) ...and you know, if any of the cast was unhappy with anything, they did an awfully good job of pretending to be having a great time.
So congratulations to everyone who was part of this, you made my night! Let's keep the good music playing, people :)
Anyway, anyway, that's not what I wanted to say. What I wanted to say was-- I saw Moulin Blues and I loved it!
I loved all the twists and local references in the script, the band were really tight, the singing was "all that" and more, the Moulin Rouge staging and costuming especially was like-- wheesh!, and for a "one night stand" I thought it went pretty un-hicuppy. And of course, these guys played all my favourite songs (though c'mon-- why cut "Sweet Home Chicago" off before the solos? Man!), and though the guy next to me was an absolute prude, I really had a lot of fun.
I also managed to convince some friends to come along (who hated Moulin Rouge and hadn't seen the Blues Brothers movies before) on the grounds that it would be "heaps fun", and they really enjoyed it! (ESPECIALLY the Rouge bit! How do you like that?!) A testiment (sp?) to the work and effort of everyone involved.
PYT and IA shows are always fun though, aren't they? I'm kicking myself for not going to see Fame, but I saw the other two B.B shows and I was completely wow!-ed by them. The first one at the Playhouse was the best, and I don't think I'm being biased. It was everything I love about the Blues-- It was fun, and so cool, everyone was really into it and enjoying themselves (none of this arguing crap), and of course a lot of great music. Perth's not such a bad little town for talent :) ...and you know, if any of the cast was unhappy with anything, they did an awfully good job of pretending to be having a great time.
So congratulations to everyone who was part of this, you made my night! Let's keep the good music playing, people :)
Walter PlingeMon, 16 Aug 2004, 07:08 am
"Over International Arts"
"Over International Arts" no no no no no - don't take back your statements - there are no internet police to scare you off - for goodness sake post with passion - if you have felt there is something 'a miss' there will be truth in it - amateur theatre peole suffer greatly from lead part syndrome. They get on stage, friend and family tell them they are wonderful, then they are 'untouchable and unstoppable'. I have read all the posts above and find, besides the majority of postings for and against being made by two individuals each using a pseudo name each time - they are incredibly amusing. But I agree there are sharks out there and they can take you for a ride because a passion is such a strong and driving force. Don't get sucked in - and just for the record I am a professional performer - I get paid for my work, and I'm based in Sydney and have nothing to do with anyone involved, but felt the need to comment.
heathieMon, 16 Aug 2004, 10:20 am
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Hi Ingrid,
I have two questions for you.
1. Are you married to Ryan Hovingh?
2. If the answer to Q1 is no, how close to the hills do you live? Because the Darlington theatre Players are currently casting people for their pantomime the "Frog Prince." As far as I know, the director is still casting the female chorus, if your daughter doesnt mind getting a main role. And it isn't restricted to U18's, so you could be involved if you wanted to.
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heathieMon, 16 Aug 2004, 10:31 am
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Has anyone noticed that TACKY hasn't even had the guts to reply to these messages, if she is reading them, (and i hope she reads this one) she obviously can't handle the feedback she is getting from everyone about her libellous rubbish.
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crgwllmsMon, 16 Aug 2004, 02:00 pm
Re: The Blue Windmill
Luke Heath wrote:
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>
> Has anyone noticed that TACKY hasn't even had the guts to
> reply to these messages, if she is reading them, (and i hope
> she reads this one) she obviously can't handle the feedback
> she is getting from everyone about her libellous rubbish.
>
Hmm....why do you make such a strong assumption that TACKY is a female?
Is there something you know that we don't?
Maybe Luke Heath and TACKY are one and the same...?
(Touché)
Craig
[%sig%]
>
>
> Has anyone noticed that TACKY hasn't even had the guts to
> reply to these messages, if she is reading them, (and i hope
> she reads this one) she obviously can't handle the feedback
> she is getting from everyone about her libellous rubbish.
>
Hmm....why do you make such a strong assumption that TACKY is a female?
Is there something you know that we don't?
Maybe Luke Heath and TACKY are one and the same...?
(Touché)
Craig
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Walter PlingeSat, 11 Sept 2004, 06:50 pm
Re: Stage Show
i need to ask what the legal requirments are to hold an ammatuer stage show, could any one help please. s
LibbySat, 25 Sept 2004, 07:17 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
@!#$ YOU TACY YOU HOE WHO THE @!#$ DO YOU THINK YOU ARE????
Thou warped reeling-ripe nut-hook!
Thou warped reeling-ripe nut-hook!
LibbySat, 25 Sept 2004, 07:26 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES
FU*CK YOU
you spleeny plume-plucked malt-worm!
you spleeny plume-plucked malt-worm!
ThingyWed, 13 Oct 2004, 06:30 pm
Re: MOULIN BLUES!!!!!!
Hi Luke,
Nope, wasn't me!
Ingrid (No. 2)
Nope, wasn't me!
Ingrid (No. 2)
Walter PlingeThu, 11 Nov 2004, 01:02 pm
Re:
You're right, "cj", or "rdbadger" - two pseudonyms I'm incapable of deciphering - there are no internet police. And people should post with passion. However they should also post with accuracy. Just because someone feels there is something awry does not necessarily mean they have the right to publish it, especially if the claims are unsubstantiated and damaging.
Internet posts are considered written published material under federal law - so the same rules regarding libel apply as would to a paper newsletter, journal article or news item.
And the reason we have laws prohibiting libel in this country, that at least allow the complainant to pursue action, is because it can be a legitimate cause of business and personal losses to an individual or organisation.
So when the parents of one of the new cast members of an International Arts Company production gets on the web, goes to Google or Looksmart or this ITA website, types in "Trevor Patient", and hits search, the material they find should not include unfounded and libellous statements...whether or not they are made in the name of passion. The link between this material being available for public viewing, regardless of its accuracy, and damage to the personal and professional reputation of both Trevor and his company (and possible business losses as a result) is a fairly obvious one to make in this scenario.
Sound unlikely? Think again. It's why I'm writing this today.
Therefore I would urge the webmasters of this site to consider removing posts that contain frankly libellous material - I'm not talking about being Big Brother (Orwellian, not Channel Tennian), and I'm not talking about jokes or sarcasm or posts that might be a bit risque or push the boundaries a little - I'm talking about responsible management of a site and filtering out the sneaky and cheeky from the downright unlawful and damaging. I'm simply pointing out the exposure the webmasters risk by allowing these types of posts to be freely uncovered using common web search tools.
I'd be very keen to hear from the webmasters either on this board or via email: whether or not they have obtained legal advice about these types of scenarios; what their position is on libellous material appearing on their site; what their response is to hearing that this material appears as part of a garden-variety web search performed on one individual's name.
And just for the record, "cj", I too am a professional performer. Aside from the International Arts Company productions, which I join in (gratis) because of the amazing energy, cameraderie and fun they engender, I also get paid for my work. I'm based in Perth, and I do have plenty to do with the people involved - which means that for them, Miss Sherman isn't a nom de plume, it's how they know me best. And if you want to know my full name, it's easy to find: right there in plain view when you roll your mouse over Miss Sherman.
Anna
Internet posts are considered written published material under federal law - so the same rules regarding libel apply as would to a paper newsletter, journal article or news item.
And the reason we have laws prohibiting libel in this country, that at least allow the complainant to pursue action, is because it can be a legitimate cause of business and personal losses to an individual or organisation.
So when the parents of one of the new cast members of an International Arts Company production gets on the web, goes to Google or Looksmart or this ITA website, types in "Trevor Patient", and hits search, the material they find should not include unfounded and libellous statements...whether or not they are made in the name of passion. The link between this material being available for public viewing, regardless of its accuracy, and damage to the personal and professional reputation of both Trevor and his company (and possible business losses as a result) is a fairly obvious one to make in this scenario.
Sound unlikely? Think again. It's why I'm writing this today.
Therefore I would urge the webmasters of this site to consider removing posts that contain frankly libellous material - I'm not talking about being Big Brother (Orwellian, not Channel Tennian), and I'm not talking about jokes or sarcasm or posts that might be a bit risque or push the boundaries a little - I'm talking about responsible management of a site and filtering out the sneaky and cheeky from the downright unlawful and damaging. I'm simply pointing out the exposure the webmasters risk by allowing these types of posts to be freely uncovered using common web search tools.
I'd be very keen to hear from the webmasters either on this board or via email: whether or not they have obtained legal advice about these types of scenarios; what their position is on libellous material appearing on their site; what their response is to hearing that this material appears as part of a garden-variety web search performed on one individual's name.
And just for the record, "cj", I too am a professional performer. Aside from the International Arts Company productions, which I join in (gratis) because of the amazing energy, cameraderie and fun they engender, I also get paid for my work. I'm based in Perth, and I do have plenty to do with the people involved - which means that for them, Miss Sherman isn't a nom de plume, it's how they know me best. And if you want to know my full name, it's easy to find: right there in plain view when you roll your mouse over Miss Sherman.
Anna