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A Laughing Matter? Hmm, Yes and No

Tue, 4 Nov 2008, 11:18 pm
Greg Ross30 posts in thread

I have given A Laughing Matter considerable thought, having gone to Sue Lynch’s GRADS production last Saturday night. I suspect my problem is that I don’t have a traditional theatre background – I find Shakespeare as boring as bat shit – opera without the saving grace of powerful emotion-laden music. And although I’m often lucky enough to be cast in English early 20th century pieces, (seemingly inevitably as a cop), my true love is for Australian, New Zealand and American drama. Give me Travelling North, Skin Tight, or Death of a Salesman anytime.

But I’ve always felt I should like and understand the “cultural” stuff, even if, as this was, it’s a contemporary work. For some reason, the play kept reminding me of Last Tango in Little Grimley and Noises Off. And that I think is the issue for me, I feel the playwright tried too hard to be clever. A work that had some excellent comedy and pathos, not to mention an interesting premise, became a “look at me, look at me,” pretentious wank. I’d have cut 40 minutes out of it, most from the first act, which wallowed in wasted time.

However that’s the fault of the playwright, not the director or the cast. And here I should state that I auditioned for a part, as I wanted to see if I could handle a role in such a production. Sue decided against casting me and she was right, I could not have done it justice. Taking this play on was a brave move.

I understood the reasoning (and need for) the minimalist set, but thought the production suffered for it. I would have liked to have seen more intricate touches – more often than not, I felt I was watching rehearsals, no doubt due to the fact that the script dragged in several places, (yes, I'm aware some scenes were rehearsals). Also, I’m not familiar with the acoustics of the Dolphin Theatre, but I certainly struggled to hear some of the female voices – maybe it's a similar problem to that of Rechabites with male voices.

It was the actors who saved the play, with some wonderful interpretations. Perhaps Grant Watson, superb as Oliver Goldsmith and Sonia Marcon, delicious as Mrs Butler, are worthy of special mention, which is not to leave out any of the other excellent cast members, all of which leads me back to the script as the problem,. Somebody needed to say to April De Angelis, “Yes darling, you’re wonderfully clever, (by half!), but have you considered using an editor?”

There were some magic moments of farce and comedy, some pure vaudeville slapstick, but it was too long in coming. Worth going to for the pleasure of watching the craft of the Director, her cast and crew … and also as a lesson (for all writers and journos) in understanding the value of editing.

As a postscript, (in case of accusations of bias), I will add that Sue Lynch and Peter Bloor are much valued friends, I've had the pleasure of working with Tony Rees, a lovely talented guy, I wondered whether the nose Peter Nettleton wore at one stage, was in relation to a couple of recent denials he’s made on this site about having a go at me and finally,  like the wistful memories of a first love, I have great fondness for Sonia and Grant, as they held my hand (metaphorically speaking), when I first took the ludicrous step of appearing on stage.

Thread (30 posts)

Greg RossTue, 4 Nov 2008, 11:18 pm

I have given A Laughing Matter considerable thought, having gone to Sue Lynch’s GRADS production last Saturday night. I suspect my problem is that I don’t have a traditional theatre background – I find Shakespeare as boring as bat shit – opera without the saving grace of powerful emotion-laden music. And although I’m often lucky enough to be cast in English early 20th century pieces, (seemingly inevitably as a cop), my true love is for Australian, New Zealand and American drama. Give me Travelling North, Skin Tight, or Death of a Salesman anytime.

But I’ve always felt I should like and understand the “cultural” stuff, even if, as this was, it’s a contemporary work. For some reason, the play kept reminding me of Last Tango in Little Grimley and Noises Off. And that I think is the issue for me, I feel the playwright tried too hard to be clever. A work that had some excellent comedy and pathos, not to mention an interesting premise, became a “look at me, look at me,” pretentious wank. I’d have cut 40 minutes out of it, most from the first act, which wallowed in wasted time.

However that’s the fault of the playwright, not the director or the cast. And here I should state that I auditioned for a part, as I wanted to see if I could handle a role in such a production. Sue decided against casting me and she was right, I could not have done it justice. Taking this play on was a brave move.

I understood the reasoning (and need for) the minimalist set, but thought the production suffered for it. I would have liked to have seen more intricate touches – more often than not, I felt I was watching rehearsals, no doubt due to the fact that the script dragged in several places, (yes, I'm aware some scenes were rehearsals). Also, I’m not familiar with the acoustics of the Dolphin Theatre, but I certainly struggled to hear some of the female voices – maybe it's a similar problem to that of Rechabites with male voices.

It was the actors who saved the play, with some wonderful interpretations. Perhaps Grant Watson, superb as Oliver Goldsmith and Sonia Marcon, delicious as Mrs Butler, are worthy of special mention, which is not to leave out any of the other excellent cast members, all of which leads me back to the script as the problem,. Somebody needed to say to April De Angelis, “Yes darling, you’re wonderfully clever, (by half!), but have you considered using an editor?”

There were some magic moments of farce and comedy, some pure vaudeville slapstick, but it was too long in coming. Worth going to for the pleasure of watching the craft of the Director, her cast and crew … and also as a lesson (for all writers and journos) in understanding the value of editing.

As a postscript, (in case of accusations of bias), I will add that Sue Lynch and Peter Bloor are much valued friends, I've had the pleasure of working with Tony Rees, a lovely talented guy, I wondered whether the nose Peter Nettleton wore at one stage, was in relation to a couple of recent denials he’s made on this site about having a go at me and finally,  like the wistful memories of a first love, I have great fondness for Sonia and Grant, as they held my hand (metaphorically speaking), when I first took the ludicrous step of appearing on stage.

Walter PlingeThu, 6 Nov 2008, 12:55 am

A Pompous Ass? Absolutely!

Mr Ross declares his ignorance, pays lip service to the production he has supposedly sat through for 2.5 hours by basically slagging off the script and spends every second line talking about himself. Mention is made of some of the people involved, but only if Mr Ross knows them personally and even then with a tinge of sour grapes and slander. No mention is made of the numerous other outstanding individual performances, the lighting, sound, design etc. IMHO, Mr Ross should stick to writing promotional material for car sales shows and stay away from sharp objects, lest his unwarrantedly over-inflated ego should go POP!
jeffhansenThu, 6 Nov 2008, 06:54 am

A review of a review....and

A review of a review....and then personal attack. Get back under your bridge, troll. www.meltheco.org.au
jmuzzThu, 6 Nov 2008, 10:07 am

I agree Jeff

I don't detect any sour grapes or slander in Greg's writing - indeed, he does say at one point that he is glad he wasn't cast despite auditioning because he doesn't feel he could have done the role he auditioned for justice. He praised those he names because he felt they deserved special mention- that's his choice. It seems clear that Greg was trying to illustrate that overall he enjoyed the play but he feels the script has weaknesses. What's the problem in that? As for slander...interesting choice of words - I was accused of defaming someone recently on this website. If only I could remember the name of the person who sent that accusation my way...... Having read this piece of troll spittle a couple of times now it could well be surmised that this diatribe came from someone involved in the show....which is a little on the nose. Certainly the person in question seems to know of Greg Ross and his activities outside of theatre. I have my suspicions as to who the culprit is but last time I accused someone of poor form I found myself apologising so I'll keep my lips sealed. But the clues are there. ;)
LightingGuyThu, 6 Nov 2008, 02:15 pm

How bout a comment on the review from someone in the show?

We actually had a chat last night about this review and, overall, what we thought of the review was fairly similar to Walter's statement (minus the last line). In all fairness, and trying not to troll, the review is not particularly helpful. The only thing that I take from it was that set could have been better, the actresses need to project more and that a couple of performances were alright. I think the practice of reviewing a review has some merit, if done properly. Over the couple of years I've been doing lighting, I've found it particularly difficult to get constructive criticism on my work and reviews like this tell me even less. More constructive content please!
jmuzzThu, 6 Nov 2008, 05:38 pm

You have a point....

...and I think one of the probs is that many people have no idea what constitutes good lighting and sound other than they notice when it's too dark or the sound doesn't come in at the right moments. I like writing reviews myself but when it comes to the tech details I get a little lost (although I at least try to comment - as in "The Birthday Party"). The finer nuances of those two arts are lost on me....which is a dilemna because I still like to review the other aspects I feel I can comment on. If I say I feel the lighting was appropriate, that in itself gives you nothing constructive just as if I say the sound effects or music were good, that too says nothing. Hmmm...perhaps those of us who review may benefit from at least sitting in on a Finley Adjudicators course. Food for thought Icarus Lx and something I'll personally keep an eye on when reviewing in future. Re-reading the review the key frustration Mr Ross had was with the script which is nothing any of you can do anything about. Failure to mention all involved is a tricky one - is it incumbent on a reviewer to mention the entire cast and crew? That's a debate for another thread I guess. Chookas to all in A Laughing Matter. Hope the final week goes well for you all :)
Ian BlackThu, 6 Nov 2008, 05:52 pm

Walter Walter Walter

There's been a few reviews lately lacking the details you mention Walter. Even to the point of getting most of the details wrong. Anyway i wont steal the review page. Its is after all for Reviews.
Walter PlingeThu, 6 Nov 2008, 06:33 pm

So Pinkshirt... have you

So Pinkshirt... have you seen the show?
JoeMcThu, 6 Nov 2008, 06:45 pm

Flamin good point Josh,

Flamin good point Josh, about the mise en scene constructive comments. It would be better, with a lot more technical content in these reviews.

Walter PlingeThu, 6 Nov 2008, 07:13 pm

He has! As per Pinkshirts

He has! As per Pinkshirts review "No mention is made of the numerous other outstanding individual performances...". Unfortunatly i sit here and I wonder what he made of the lighting, sound, design etc.
LabrugThu, 6 Nov 2008, 08:07 pm

Me Thoughts

I once heard a Lighting Techy comment that a good lighting design is one that you don't notice. While I think he meant in terms of obviously black spots and such, I think the implication is that for most non-technical people it would be very hard to comment on lighting unless it was bad. Only a truely experienced Tech Person might notice good lighting.

Am I wrong?

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Amy WelshThu, 6 Nov 2008, 09:08 pm

Lighting for A Laughing Matter

Hi Icarus, Having studied lighting at uni, I know how hard your job can be! And how few people are often willing to hold up their hands and be part of the techie team! As for constructive criticism, I'm one of those people that notices stuff like pins holding the bodices of costumes together, and how peoples make up is done... and I do notice lighting (especially the really pretty, cool stuff... ) So here's what I noticed about your lighting for the show... I sat in the front row of Laughing Matter on opening night. I thought your lighting was solid, lit the space well etc. The only main things I noticed were the (to me) random lighting transition that occurred between scenes in the first act. They went from your wash, through your green/blue specials into your wash again, for no apparent reason (again, to me). I don't mind special states in lighting, in fact, I think that they can help with mood and atmosphere but this transition seemed to have no purpose other than to fill the stage whilst waiting for the set change to complete. It provided a sense of expectation with no pay off really... I kind of went, "what?????" and waited to see what happened next...which happened to be more blackout... :( The other lighting state that I queried was the DSR special on the chair during the first act, which Peter stood in prior to the "flashback" sequence with the apron... I think that it was required for the scene, but perhaps needed to be held for longer for it to have any real impact or suggestion of time passing/moving, or a changing from the "real" time of the play to the memory...It faded up and down so quickly it almost looked like it wasn't meant to be there... But this is perhaps not your fault.. it is probably what you were told to do by the director/SM and what was programmed in your LX plot... As someone I spoke to mentioned, maybe he even needed to move or put on the apron in the special to help the audience with this concept also... So I hope this helps you. If not, disregard it. That's fine by me. As mentioned below me, sometimes the best feedback about tech is that its not mentioned at all... Its like the saying, "if they are noticing the lipstick on your teeth, then you're doing something wrong..." So perhaps take silence as a compliment and keep up the good work! Amy :) P.S. I'll leave you with this techie quote: "And God said, 'LX1, go'" P.P.S. Icarus, if I have this wrong (and I probably do) and you didn't personally light A Laughing Matter, feel even more free to ignore this review... Sorry to the person who did for the confusion. But my feedback still stands!
LogosThu, 6 Nov 2008, 09:23 pm

I'm a lampy but ...

and God said "LX 1 Go" But how did you hear him. Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. www.tonymoore.id.au
Amy WelshThu, 6 Nov 2008, 09:39 pm

Not sure how I heard him...

Not sure how I heard him... I've just seen that quote on t-shirts...
JoeMcThu, 6 Nov 2008, 09:54 pm

No I 'm probably wrong

No I 'm probably wrong jeff! In as much as you can apply much the same adage, to all the other aspects of theatre. To me in this situation it would be based upon, how it is presented to &/or  perceived by any reviewers. The adage is about the design, similarly there are general aspects, much the same as with acting or directing. Which reviewers comment upon, as in being only their opinion. It does not mean they have to be an accomplished actor, director or in this case even to have technical ability!

Don AllenFri, 7 Nov 2008, 12:00 am

Who Is This God Person Anyway

You would have heard God (SM is usually a her) because you would have been wearing cans, which is why the audience never hears God. And God knows that most times, it is superflous to call SFX1 Go as they don't wear cans as they need to hear what the audience hears. (apologies to Douglas Adams) And yes, if you have done your lighting design properly, including focussing, the audience will just accept it as a natural part of the show without comenting on it. Such is life.
LightingGuyFri, 7 Nov 2008, 01:21 am

Thankyou all

Wow, you go away for a couple of hours to do a show and suddenly a thread has exploded with comments! Thankyou to those who replied to my comment on lighting, especially Amy who's given me a lot of food for thought. As for the blue/green wash, it was meant to signify the "flashback", unfortunately it also coincides with a set change and so I've also found that the effect was somewhat lost (also with the DSR special which was meant to be part of that). It's been something that bugged me for this entire show, how to convey something subtlely yet effectively? And in any show where "adequate" lighting is not noticed and thus defined as successful lighting, I accept this as a common fact. Yet the ambition is to always improve and try new things and so and after many a show I have asked myself "where do I go from here?". This is where reviews with more content may come in useful - from these we may draw new ideas or improvements which we may not have previously noticed or thought of. In so doing a better quality of review may inspire a better show from all aspects of theatre.
crgwllmsFri, 7 Nov 2008, 02:13 am

Creationist logic

>>and God said "LX 1 Go" >>But how did you hear him. I would have answered "Projection" and given God the benefit of the doubt. But then I remember that he created LX cues on Monday, but didn't get around to creating anything with ears until Friday. What was the point of him saying stuff out loud (Charleton Heston-like projection or not) when he knew he hadn't made anything that would pay attention? Cheers, Craig ~<8>-/====\---------
crgwllmsFri, 7 Nov 2008, 02:37 am

'Good' = don't notice any bad.

Jeff, I've heard this platitude often before; "a good lighting design is one you don't notice". While it's pithy and somewhat descriptive - yes, a basic lighting design will not draw attention - I'm sure that if anyone saw GOOD, innovative, effective lighting they would notice and be impressed to make a comment. The cliche is more a reflection of the fact that more often than not, 'lighting' merely means either allowing us to see the stage and actors, or concealing them by its absence; and if we're lucky adding a few colours to suggest a mood or location. Apart from these considerations, lighting is otherwise unnecessary in many productions, hence the idea that you only notice it if it's bad. When you get a good lighting DESIGN, as opposed to well-rigged lights on an average design, thank your lucky pinspots. Unfortunately I think you've just answered Na's question from another thread, the poll on what people want from FAQs, which asked "How do you define 'good' theatre?" For too many of us, 'good theatre' is theatre where you don't notice any bad bits. Is this really good enough? Cheers, Craig ~<8>-/====\---------
Greg RossFri, 7 Nov 2008, 07:28 am

Seeing the Light

There have been some excellent points made about lighting, I didn't comment, as I simply don't have the experience to comment, other than to know when something doesn't look right (I work in light and shade with photography) and it all looked fine to me, e.g.: I could have commented on the spot-lit Narrator, (it was great), but it was such an obvious ploy to do technically, that I didn't mention it. I was asked to help with the lighting for a play about to go up at the Old Mill and wanted to learn, but I couldn't be there for the whole season, I would like to learn.

The sound effects didn't register with me, which may, or may not have been what was intended. Probably that falls into the same category of not noticing what was done well.

Some obviously need to understand that a review is just one person's thoughts, formed in relation to his or her reaction to a production. Its' perfectly valid, (if it's not written dripping with malice and ill-considered thought), but just one opinion.

I've always learnt something from well-intentioned criticism, even if I’ve thought the person didn’t understand what I was saying / producing / doing and then thought, “OK, what can I do to ensure I include those people in my vision in the future.”  One thing’s for sure, nobody gets very far in any discipline hiding in the shadows of anonymity.

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Don AllenFri, 7 Nov 2008, 08:25 am

Craig said "The cliche is

Craig said "The cliche is more a reflection of the fact that more often than not, 'lighting' merely means either allowing us to see the stage and actors, or concealing them by its absence; and if we're lucky adding a few colours to suggest a mood or location. Apart from these considerations, lighting is otherwise unnecessary in many productions, hence the idea that you only notice it if it's bad. When you get a good lighting DESIGN, as opposed to well-rigged lights on an average design, thank your lucky pinspots." Good lighting "should" be necessary in all productions, unfortunately there are lazy professionals, untrained amateurs and directors who are not aware on what theatre lighting can do for their production. If you are not getting good lighting, then one or all of the above need to be changed for the better. I have started a new thread on this as it needs to be more transparent.
Walter PlingeFri, 7 Nov 2008, 09:51 am

Walter Pinkshirt = Peter

Walter Pinkshirt = Peter Clark
jmuzzFri, 7 Nov 2008, 11:10 am

Peter wears a pink shirt?

Wow, you learn something new every day.
Ian BlackFri, 7 Nov 2008, 11:55 pm

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Walter PlingeSat, 8 Nov 2008, 11:49 am

Howard Hawks' definition of

Howard Hawks' definition of a good movie was "three good scenes, no bad ones", which is a fairly solid rule that's stood the test of time. I think good theatre is something similar - at least three moments that were good, and none that made you cringe. *Great* theatre, on the other hand, is more difficult to define. There's not a lot to say beyond "you'll know it when you see it".
Walter PlingeSun, 9 Nov 2008, 03:50 pm

Wow someone doesn't like a

Wow someone doesn't like a bad review. I'm sure I've seen this reaction before...
L D-KMon, 10 Nov 2008, 08:11 pm

Off on a tangent

I have to confess that having read that Greg's true love is Australian, New Zealand and American drama I didn't read any further. If this self confession is so, then Greg, look no further than the next cab off the ranks at Garrick. Opening on the 28th November is David Williamson's savagely funny play "Amigos" that exposes the subtle agression and unacknowledged dependencies of male friendship and the angst and irritation created for those on the friendship's sidelines. Come and see what happens when mateship and mating collide.
Zola VodMon, 10 Nov 2008, 09:05 pm

Another Tangent

Have you read jack manning trilogy? I like face to face and a conversation, and have been in them both, but a charitable intent? that is a little dry. You have to be wary not to have dry actors, nor actors that act with emotion rather than objective in his works, otherwise it becomes too natural (so natural its boring)and predictable. Amigos is a great script, and i think that with a great cast of actors, garrick could pull off well with it. Break a leg to the cast of amigos :)
Peter ClarkTue, 11 Nov 2008, 11:36 am

Get Stuffed!

I have enough balls to place my name against my postings Pinkshirt idiot. I would not get involved in such ramblings - but obviously your life is so interesting that you wish to be someone else!? Walter Pinkshirt - Dickhead
Walter PlingeTue, 11 Nov 2008, 11:41 am

My husband must be very clever

I'm constantly amazed at how multi-talented my husband seems to be.... not only was he posting a comment as "Walter Pinkshirt" according to "Water Pinkshirt's Unmasker", but he was at the exact moment of posting, driving home to me...! WOW! My darling, you never cease to amaze. To "Walter Pinkshirt's Unmasker", as Peter's wife, I know this is not Peter even if he was able to post at that time, as the above is too pleasant for Peter's vocab; Peter doesn't hold back when a situation calls for an insult. :) I don't usually post on this website, but this annoyed me.
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