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Winter Warmers at The Melville

Mon, 4 Aug 2008, 01:05 am
Freddie Badgery31 posts in thread
Today I saw the matinee performance of WINTER WARMERS at the Melville Theatre. It consists of three one-act plays, two by a certain Anton Chekhov (A Marriage Proposal and On the Harmfulness of Tobacco), and one by local playwright Dawn Murray entitled Death's Dilemma. Where: Melville Theatre, Cnr Stock Road and Canning Highway When: August 2,7,8,9 @ 8.00pm, August 3 @ 2.00pm (Sunday matinee) Tickets: $15/$12 (includes soup and roll at interval) Bookings: 9330 4565 The show kicked off with A Marriage Proposal, directed by Jeff Hansen. Chronic hypochondriac, Ivan Vassilevitch (Lewis Johnson) turns up to ask Stepan Stepanovitch (Stuart Riches) if he can have his daughter's hand in marriage. Stepan is delighted and leaves Ivan alone with Natalia (Amy Welsh) to 'let the magic happen'. However, too much beating around the bush leads to a misunderstanding between the two lovebirds and chaos ensues. Chekhov tagged this play 'a joke in one act' which, thankfully, isn't on the cast. Riches, Johnson and Welsh all handle their parts with aplomb, though a touch more overacting might suit the ridiculous situation a bit better. Cudos to the actors for pronouncing all of those notoriously difficult Chekovian character names with barely a slip. The set was simple and effective, and the use of Tchaikovski's Nutcracker perfectly bracketed the piece. Well done, guys. Following this was On the Harmfulness of Tobacco, as presented by Mr Ivan Ivanovich in the person of Lindsay Sedgwick. What ensues is a classic Chekhovian piece in which a 'dissertation on the evils of smoking' slowly digresses into a stream of consciousness in which we learn far more about the man giving the lecture than on his chosen topic. Sedgwick's performance is enjoyably quaint, and the set design of a simple podium and spotlight added to the scholarly intent of the piece. Sedgwick's delivery of the piece lost pace at times, which caused the audience attention to waver, though I later found out that the piece had been added to the show barely a few weeks before it went up, so any lapses are sure to be ironed out. All in all, highly enjoyable. At interval we were all treated to a free mug of soup and buttered roll, a perfect winter refreshment. So far, so good. Sadly, though, it's now my duty to go a bit rock apocalypse in my review. (To coin a phrase?) The second act consisted of Death's Dilemma, written and directed by Dawn Murray. Ageing grandfather Ben (Alan Comac) is in a coma in hospital after a life of indulgence has finally caught up with him. The Angel of Death (Julia Hearn) appears to him, telling him his time is up, but the spectral Ben has other ideas. Meanwhile, the drama deepens when Ben's dutiful daughter, Jenny (Judy Davies Moore), is joined at his bedside by his granddaughter, Lisa (Felicity May). Unfortunately, though it has an interesting premise, this play has nothing to recommend it. The direction is shoddy, the acting is woeful, and the dialogue reads like fan-fiction written by an adolescent who thinks Home and Away is the last word in quality drama. Death, complete with all-white clothing, has a series of unconvincing arguments with the spectral Ben, who pouts his way around the stage like a four year old who's been told he has to go to bed early. He (literally) throws a foot-stamping tanty every time Death suggests it's time for him to 'transit', petulantly declaring he's too busy 'living his life to the full'. Every time he has one of these conversations he gets out of bed, comes to the front of the stage, jigs about a little bit, then hops back in again. That's it. Meanwhile, daughter Jenny (Davies Moore) is refusing to look the truth in the face, convinced that, though more than half of Ben's brain is dead, he's going to wake up at any moment and ask for a beer and a ciggy. She'd rather believe that the doctor (Lindsay Sedgwick) is poisoning her father than accept that a man in his sixties or seventies (we never find out) could have a massive stroke due to a life long abuse of tobacco and alcohol. She then spends the rest of the play repeating these beliefs at a number of melodramatic pitches. At this point Lisa (May) arrives on the scene, telling her mother, 'I've just got off the plane from Los Angeles' (thanks for telling us, we'd never have known otherwise), and without even glancing at her terminally ill grandfather demands Jenny bustle off and get her a coffee. She then presents the voice of reason throughout the play. However, Jenny doesn't want to listen, and after a while neither did the audience. The whole piece was, in a word, agony. The Angel of Death tells Ben that she's prepared to wait an eternity for him to say he's ready to go, and that's precisely what it felt like. The play was twice as long as it needed to be due to the simple expedient of the characters repeating exactly what they'd said to each other in the last scene. Hand gestures (and there were a LOT of them) were limited to nothing above the elbow, and the acting was appaling, swinging wildly between wailing melodrama and complete woodenness without ever landing in between. It became so painful that I spent most of the play staring at the floor to my left rather than watch what was happening on stage. Furthermore, though a group of late middle-agers theoretically has a longer attention span than those of us young'uns, there were more than a few groans rippling through the predominantly elderly audience when the lights came up for each of the last few scenes. The muttering and sighing became audibly louder as each interminable scene followed the last. The one genuine laugh-out loud moment of this so-called 'blackish comedy' was when a member of the audience developed a coughing fit and, just as Ben declared he was ready to go, muttered out loud that she was next. I've always maintained that, as a mark of respect to fellow performers, I would never walk out of anyone's show early. Today sorely tested that resolve. I also lost count of the number of times my partner leant across to me and asked if I wanted to leave, something which she likewise has always sworn never to do. However, I refuse to say only bad things, and there are some good points to the play which should be mentioned: 1. It ended. 2. The sound effect of the machine-that-goes-PING was very consistent throughout. 3. Though two of the actors only joined the show in the last two weeks, everyone knew their lines and cues. Well done on that point. I realise that some of my comments above could hardly be considered constructive. I am also aware of other recent less-than-favourable reviews posted on this site (Rock Apocalypse, Errol Flynn, etc.) I myself have been on the receiving end (Temporo, 2004, for example). It was not my desire to add to this growing trend, but when a piece is so dismal that a person can't stand looking at the stage, one must say SOMETHING. Feel free to offer your thoughts on this. In conclusion, I would like to say that I found the first half of 'WINTER WARMERS' very entertaining, and offer my sincere blessing to anyone who decides to duck off after they've had their soup and roll. Freddie the rocking jedi badger

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Freddie BadgeryMon, 4 Aug 2008, 01:05 am
Today I saw the matinee performance of WINTER WARMERS at the Melville Theatre. It consists of three one-act plays, two by a certain Anton Chekhov (A Marriage Proposal and On the Harmfulness of Tobacco), and one by local playwright Dawn Murray entitled Death's Dilemma. Where: Melville Theatre, Cnr Stock Road and Canning Highway When: August 2,7,8,9 @ 8.00pm, August 3 @ 2.00pm (Sunday matinee) Tickets: $15/$12 (includes soup and roll at interval) Bookings: 9330 4565 The show kicked off with A Marriage Proposal, directed by Jeff Hansen. Chronic hypochondriac, Ivan Vassilevitch (Lewis Johnson) turns up to ask Stepan Stepanovitch (Stuart Riches) if he can have his daughter's hand in marriage. Stepan is delighted and leaves Ivan alone with Natalia (Amy Welsh) to 'let the magic happen'. However, too much beating around the bush leads to a misunderstanding between the two lovebirds and chaos ensues. Chekhov tagged this play 'a joke in one act' which, thankfully, isn't on the cast. Riches, Johnson and Welsh all handle their parts with aplomb, though a touch more overacting might suit the ridiculous situation a bit better. Cudos to the actors for pronouncing all of those notoriously difficult Chekovian character names with barely a slip. The set was simple and effective, and the use of Tchaikovski's Nutcracker perfectly bracketed the piece. Well done, guys. Following this was On the Harmfulness of Tobacco, as presented by Mr Ivan Ivanovich in the person of Lindsay Sedgwick. What ensues is a classic Chekhovian piece in which a 'dissertation on the evils of smoking' slowly digresses into a stream of consciousness in which we learn far more about the man giving the lecture than on his chosen topic. Sedgwick's performance is enjoyably quaint, and the set design of a simple podium and spotlight added to the scholarly intent of the piece. Sedgwick's delivery of the piece lost pace at times, which caused the audience attention to waver, though I later found out that the piece had been added to the show barely a few weeks before it went up, so any lapses are sure to be ironed out. All in all, highly enjoyable. At interval we were all treated to a free mug of soup and buttered roll, a perfect winter refreshment. So far, so good. Sadly, though, it's now my duty to go a bit rock apocalypse in my review. (To coin a phrase?) The second act consisted of Death's Dilemma, written and directed by Dawn Murray. Ageing grandfather Ben (Alan Comac) is in a coma in hospital after a life of indulgence has finally caught up with him. The Angel of Death (Julia Hearn) appears to him, telling him his time is up, but the spectral Ben has other ideas. Meanwhile, the drama deepens when Ben's dutiful daughter, Jenny (Judy Davies Moore), is joined at his bedside by his granddaughter, Lisa (Felicity May). Unfortunately, though it has an interesting premise, this play has nothing to recommend it. The direction is shoddy, the acting is woeful, and the dialogue reads like fan-fiction written by an adolescent who thinks Home and Away is the last word in quality drama. Death, complete with all-white clothing, has a series of unconvincing arguments with the spectral Ben, who pouts his way around the stage like a four year old who's been told he has to go to bed early. He (literally) throws a foot-stamping tanty every time Death suggests it's time for him to 'transit', petulantly declaring he's too busy 'living his life to the full'. Every time he has one of these conversations he gets out of bed, comes to the front of the stage, jigs about a little bit, then hops back in again. That's it. Meanwhile, daughter Jenny (Davies Moore) is refusing to look the truth in the face, convinced that, though more than half of Ben's brain is dead, he's going to wake up at any moment and ask for a beer and a ciggy. She'd rather believe that the doctor (Lindsay Sedgwick) is poisoning her father than accept that a man in his sixties or seventies (we never find out) could have a massive stroke due to a life long abuse of tobacco and alcohol. She then spends the rest of the play repeating these beliefs at a number of melodramatic pitches. At this point Lisa (May) arrives on the scene, telling her mother, 'I've just got off the plane from Los Angeles' (thanks for telling us, we'd never have known otherwise), and without even glancing at her terminally ill grandfather demands Jenny bustle off and get her a coffee. She then presents the voice of reason throughout the play. However, Jenny doesn't want to listen, and after a while neither did the audience. The whole piece was, in a word, agony. The Angel of Death tells Ben that she's prepared to wait an eternity for him to say he's ready to go, and that's precisely what it felt like. The play was twice as long as it needed to be due to the simple expedient of the characters repeating exactly what they'd said to each other in the last scene. Hand gestures (and there were a LOT of them) were limited to nothing above the elbow, and the acting was appaling, swinging wildly between wailing melodrama and complete woodenness without ever landing in between. It became so painful that I spent most of the play staring at the floor to my left rather than watch what was happening on stage. Furthermore, though a group of late middle-agers theoretically has a longer attention span than those of us young'uns, there were more than a few groans rippling through the predominantly elderly audience when the lights came up for each of the last few scenes. The muttering and sighing became audibly louder as each interminable scene followed the last. The one genuine laugh-out loud moment of this so-called 'blackish comedy' was when a member of the audience developed a coughing fit and, just as Ben declared he was ready to go, muttered out loud that she was next. I've always maintained that, as a mark of respect to fellow performers, I would never walk out of anyone's show early. Today sorely tested that resolve. I also lost count of the number of times my partner leant across to me and asked if I wanted to leave, something which she likewise has always sworn never to do. However, I refuse to say only bad things, and there are some good points to the play which should be mentioned: 1. It ended. 2. The sound effect of the machine-that-goes-PING was very consistent throughout. 3. Though two of the actors only joined the show in the last two weeks, everyone knew their lines and cues. Well done on that point. I realise that some of my comments above could hardly be considered constructive. I am also aware of other recent less-than-favourable reviews posted on this site (Rock Apocalypse, Errol Flynn, etc.) I myself have been on the receiving end (Temporo, 2004, for example). It was not my desire to add to this growing trend, but when a piece is so dismal that a person can't stand looking at the stage, one must say SOMETHING. Feel free to offer your thoughts on this. In conclusion, I would like to say that I found the first half of 'WINTER WARMERS' very entertaining, and offer my sincere blessing to anyone who decides to duck off after they've had their soup and roll. Freddie the rocking jedi badger
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 09:24 am

When people ask "where are

When people ask "where are all the men?", just remember this review. They just don't audition for substandard stuff.
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 10:48 am

Agreed

There are far too many people that think that serious writing is just a matter of putting pen to paper and running with it. There are notable exceptions like Noel O'Neill, but I understand he had some training in New York, which brings me to the point that ANYONE attempting to consider playwrighting or scriptwriting should go to the PAC Workshop or some creative writing course at Uni or TAFE. As a performer, when I hear of an audition requiring actors for a world premiere production by some local writer, I tend to run a mile. The actors in the above production probably wished they'd done the same.
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 10:53 am

I don't think you can paint

I don't think you can paint all local writers with the same brush. There are some out there who have no training and produce good work.
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 11:28 am

Anyone in particular?

Anyone in particular?
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 12:01 pm

What a load of

The person who wrote "Harry Potter" ie (JK Rowling) was a complete unknown when she first started so pull the other one you Theatre Australia wombat. It's idiots like you people should run from.
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 12:56 pm

Hohum

You must of been involved in the production, Mr Bollocks. JK Rowling was educated at the University of Exeter earning a BA in French and the Classics. So she must know something about creative writing. And even though I am not a Harry Potter fan and I haven't seen this production I think the comparison is pretty cheap. I guess that makes you the bigger idiot.
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 04:03 pm

I really must object...

I really must object to "Walter's" use of the term "must of" instead of "must have". My dear, it really is a bastardisation of the English language. Sorry for the interuption....as you were.... ;)
jmuzzMon, 4 Aug 2008, 04:24 pm

Well....

...Daniel Kershaw won best local writer at (I think) Dramafest a couple of years ago. Martin Lindsay has a belter of a script called "Brown Acid" that Blak Yak are looking to stage next year and he also had a one act entitled "One Night Stand Off" produced at Garrick's latest one act season which went down very well. Scott Northover's effort (I forget the name - sorry) from last year which Blak Yak did was most worthy of inclusion at Dramafest. I myself appeared in "Johnno's Story" for Garrick as written by Bruce Denny last year. Nice characters - solid script. None of these guys have any formal training to my knowledge. So....come to think of it - there's quite a few. Here endeth the lesson
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 05:21 pm

Review of Winter Warmers

I cannot believe the write up you gave the play Deaths Dilemma when you have the hide to say that Sedgewick's performance was "enjoyably quaint". We went Friday night and were embarrassed to be sitting in the theatre when Sedgewick "performed" if you could call it that. We were thinking seriously of going without the soup but decided to stay and were so glad we did. Deaths Dilemma saved the night for us after some so so acting in the first play and an absolutely disgusting experience in the second. Maybe if you had stopped staring at the floor and taken notice you would have seen and heard what we did.
Walter PlingeMon, 4 Aug 2008, 05:40 pm

Training

I did suggest in my previous entry that "there are some notable exceptions like Noel O'Neill". I also personally know Dan, Martin and Scott and I have worked with them before, but does that necessarily mean that just about anybody can write a script? I heard about one playwright (no names here) who wrote what some auditionees describe as a dreadful piece of work. They had the good sense of turning down the roles offered. In the end the play never went up and in it's place another production went forward by a well known playwright (no names again as I don't want to embarrass anybody). That play did very well. What do you think would have happened if the theatre had stuck with the original play. It would have been an embarrassment to all concerned. I don't know Dawn Murray but perhaps she can learn from this and not trust her own judgment on her own work. I think a short creative writing course or better still an impartial script editor could have helped in this. Any thoughts?
Freddie BadgeryMon, 4 Aug 2008, 06:08 pm

As a matter of fact...

I saw and heard enough. I also heard that the partner of one of the actors in Death's Door saw the show the night you claim to have seen it and was overheard saying to the members of his group that, 'the first two plays were rubbish, but Death's Dilemma was fantastic'. You didn't happen to be a part of that little group, did you? PS- I also said Mr Sedgwick only had two weeks to get his piece up and running. Perhaps his performance improved? Freddie the rocking jedi badger
Jodie HansenMon, 4 Aug 2008, 06:31 pm

Surprising

Lauretta not verified.... I'm surprised at your assessment of this programme of plays on Friday night..especially seeing as it wasn't performed on Friday night....
Garry DMon, 4 Aug 2008, 06:48 pm

that's probably not the most constructive comment

Jeez, you're starting to get a little bit harsh there, Mr or Ms Anonymous. I'm presuming that you've seen the show at Melville, although you haven't actually said so - your comments would be pretty diabolical if you're basing them on someone else's review. I don't know Dawn Murray either, and I haven't seen this play - I won't get a chance to because of the overlap with the play I'm in at Old Mill (Venetian Twins) - but it's a bit rough to be criticising her playwriting skills. Melville obviously had sufficient faith in her and her play to include it on the program - I'm damn sure it wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the stage if it was that terrible. Fredi the Jedi appears to have hated the play, and thought there were no redeeming features apart from the fact that it finally ended. Fair enough, and good on him for at least stating his opinion (as negative as it was) without saying a general "it was crap". At least the people concerned know exactly what it was about the play that he didn't like. However, that doesn't mean that everyone who sees the play is going to agree with him - the review left by Lauretta indicates that there was at least one person that thought it was OK (by the way Freddie, maybe you should have given her a bit more credit...?...). Anyway, even if the play wasn't a masterpiece, kudos to Melville for giving a new playwright a chance to show her work. I bet that her next play will be a lot better for it :) In my opinon, one-act seasons are the ideal place for a theatre to take risks like this - new plays, inexperienced directors and actors etc. We all need to start somewhere. Besides, who knows when one of these risks is going to unleash the next big thing? Back to my original point - give the poor woman a break!
Daniel KershawMon, 4 Aug 2008, 07:48 pm

Has returned

So, I've broken my silence as my name has been brought up in this discussion. Firstly, I am currently studying creative writing at Curtin University. I have had two script produced. One winning Best Play at Bunbury in 2006 and the other taking home an adjudicator’s award for "Most Original Play", by Ingle Knight. My slowing growing (slow like a sloth) reputation has attracted a certain WAAPA graduate, turned graduate, who is interested in producing one of my scripts at a semi or professional level. Secondly, a lot of original scripts are below average. Yes, I agree, formal training can help, but simply consulting texts about script writing or even reading scripts themselves can give a lot of insight on how to construct drama. When I wrote my first play, I didn’t really know what I was doing. I had previously performed in a fair few plays and had been an avid reader from an early age, so I just went with what I thought felt right. I’d like to think that my approach to writing has become more sophisticated since then. However, I am very supportive of any local playwrights, as I am in the same proverbial boat. I think that theatre groups should give us all a chance from time to time, even if the scripts we pitch bomb with audiences. What I can recommend is that perhaps groups should implements some sort of workshopping process. Any playwright who is not willing to amend their scripts should be shown the door. With my two productions, there has been extensive workshopping, which I can glad to say improved the shows immensely. I don’t know about all the other playwrights out there, but if anyone wanted to meet up with me and give suggestions about the other’s work, I’d be more than willing. Drop me a line. Thirdly, and hopefully finally, people are allowed not to like an original piece of theatre. Just because it’s original, doesn’t give it some holy status, beyond repute. I agree, the reviewer was rather malicious in his treatment of “Death’s Dilemma”, but if he didn’t like it, okay, as long as he was able to explain why, which to an extent he did. I saw some absolutely dreadful entries into Dramafest ’07, which should have not seen the light of day. I’m glad I did though, because it made me appreciate the few that were really well written. To summarise my thoughts, I think playwrights need to read more and be willing to listen to constructive feedback. I also feel that theatre groups should read the scripts before and make a subjective judgement whether it is good enough to be performed. If a play is really awful, then it’s quite evident when you read it.
TaureanMon, 4 Aug 2008, 08:48 pm

At a tangent...

     Welcome home Daniel... you have been sorely missed....

A while ago, I put forward an idea that a "reading group" could be formed in Perth. This gleaned some positive feedback and encouragement from website members on the other side of the country (Thankyou again Tony) and yet got very little (sorry, that's a fib) NO response from people here in Perth.

    My suggestion at the time was that a reading group would serve precisely the purposes that Daniel has suggested. It would give new writers a chance to see & hear their work performed and workshopped by experienced performers, before they take it to a group for production.

     The group would probably not create a new breed of Chekov's or Pinter's overnight, but it might just help and encourage those among us talented enough to put pen to paper in the form of a script.

    I would again like to put the idea forward, this time with a request for those who may be interested in:

A -  reading new scripts (and old favorite's) and/or

B - willing to have their scripts read

    to contact me either through this site or by email with a view to getting the group off the ground.

    At present this is still a formative idea, no venue planned, no physical structure even contemplated .... however, I feel that the outcome can only be positive for all concerned.

  

    
 

jmuzzMon, 4 Aug 2008, 10:10 pm

Oh....

I was addressing the comment by Walter Plingert not yourself Mr/Ms/Mrs? Plingeres. I get so confused with all you Walters. Now, with regard the merits of the Melville one act,here's a thought - wouldn't the script have to be vetted and get approval by the Melville committee to go into production? If it's truely that bad, it seems on the nose to hold the writer out to dry. Melville agreed to mount it. Not wanting to stir the pot - I'm interested to know if clubs out there really vet the scripts for the one act season or is it a case of "first in, best dressed"?
jmuzzMon, 4 Aug 2008, 10:19 pm

Hi Daniel

hope you realise I wasn't taking your name in vain. Was merely putting forward the idea that there are lots of local playwrights who write good scripts with no formal training. Hope to see more of your writing in future even though you now have the advantage of uni training ;)
Garry DTue, 5 Aug 2008, 12:12 am

my experience is this...

In response to jmuzz's question above about play selections for one-act seasons... I can't speak for Melville, but I've been on the play selection committee at Old Mill for three years now so I do have a bit of knowledge on the subject. I can assure you that a LOT of thought goes into play selections, including one-act seasons. Problem is that a one-act season requires at least two or more plays, directors and casts (and sometimes stage managers, and costume people, and props, and sets...) ...and they're all scheduled for this time of the year so that they can fit in with the festivals. It's damned difficult to get a good quality one-act season off the ground because there's only so much talent to go around. This is one of the reasons that we haven't had a one-act season at Old Mill for a while - it's just too hard! That's one issue that sometimes affects quality...the other is that some clubs take the opportunity to use their one-act seasons to give inexperienced playwrights and directors a chance to get their break. This is a good thing! But it also means that mistakes are sometimes made, and the production is not as polished as it might be with more seasoned hands. This isn't a bad thing either - everyone learns from it, including the club. I hope that people reading this forum don't get too hung up about the negative reviews, and make the choice to support Melville in the final week of their season. One of the good things about a one-act season is that there's generally at least something that you think was worth it, even if you don't like the rest of the program. I think even the evening's harshest critic, Freddie, would have to agree with that - his review of Death's Dilemma was so harsh it's easy to forget that he gave some pretty good reviews to the rest of the program.
Walter PlingeTue, 5 Aug 2008, 09:21 am

Agreed

Agreed with what you said. But you have to admit that a wannabe playwright put a play on regardless of merit, has just left large sections of the audience unsatisfied and had burned several of the actors so badly that they may never tread the boards again. Give her break - sure - but what about the cast and audience?
LogosTue, 5 Aug 2008, 03:53 pm

Process

Before I comment I will state some credentials. I am a published and performed playwright. My first play, which unfortunately still gets performed was (and remains) rubbish. Since then I have improved. I have improved by examining my mistakes and learning from them, by obtaining and following the advise of those whom I trust and by writing and rewriting until it's right. I too direct my own work and having said that I would like to say it is often a mistake. Provided you make it clear to the actors that you welcome constructive criticism it can work but too many of us (writers) are rather too precious about our words. Was it Truman Capote who said "When you have finished writing go back find all the bits you like the most and cut them." Well whoever it was, he or she was very nearly right. The bits you like the most are often the most self indulgent. When preparing a work for performance go through a series of stages. Read it again yourself with a red pencil. Get someone you respect to read it and advise you, preferably someone who will be honest even if it hurts, Get some friends around who can act and listen to it read out loud, then get their opinions and listen to them. (Then give them wine as a reward, but only after you've listened to their advice.) Do a rehearsed reading to a group of people who haven't previously seen the work. Then take criticism on board and rewrite. Then you have a play that might be worth performing. It;s not an easy process and if your ego is fragile it is very hard. But it's worth it. I haven't seen the play in question (wrong state) but to the writer Dawn Murray. Good on you for getting your work on. Maybe you should consider getting someone else to direct in the future while you act as a script resource. It has certainly worked for me in the past. Don't give up. Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. www.tonymoore.id.au
Walter PlingeTue, 5 Aug 2008, 05:15 pm

Process

I couldn't agree more :)
Daniel KershawTue, 5 Aug 2008, 08:03 pm

I agree Logos. I have

I agree Logos. I have never, nor intent to direct my own work.
DazzaBWed, 6 Aug 2008, 09:35 am

A reply

The thought of you not getting some positive feedback about this concept a second time scares me, so I'm taking the time to say that I think this is a fabulous idea. As I have been reading through this thread I was thinking that a regular 'reading' group would be a wonderful thing to foster our local writers and help to develop their talents. I don't pretend to be a writer myself - the few scripts I have written have been commissioned for educational purposes and therefore are a little on the formulaic side, but it's what the buyer wanted so whatchya gonna do hey? However, as a director I am always on the look out for a play that I would like to put up on stage. Especially original one acts - I'd really like to try my hand at Dramafest one of these days. So what better place for me to be able to source some new material? And of course if a play is being presented at a reading group that I think has potential but I also feel needs a bit of tweaking I would be comfortable saying that to the writer because if they are at the reading group it's very likely that they want their piece to be the best it can be. Also, as an actor I would be more than willing to read for a writer who is wanting to workshop their script. I used to do that all the time for the creative writing students at uni. I find that it's a lot of fun, but also a unique experience. It's not often that you will get to work with the writer of a script and they are able to tell you exactly what they were thinking when they were writing the character that you're reading. My character interpretation skills developed exponentially by being able to work with writers in this way. So please, if this group gets up and running, let me know. I would love to be involved as both a reader and an observer looking for fresh material. DazzaB
Walter PlingeWed, 6 Aug 2008, 10:32 am

You can also find

You can also find locally-written material here: http://www.tazentertainment.com.au/Playwrights_byauthor.html
LogosWed, 6 Aug 2008, 11:09 am

Further support

If you manage to get this group of the ground over there I feel confident that I can make this offer. I would be happy to send new scripts from here for you to read in your group and equally would be happy to arrange our group here in SA to read some of yours. Transcripts of comments could be exchanged after the readings. Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. www.tonymoore.id.au
Tim ProsserWed, 6 Aug 2008, 02:45 pm

G'day Graham . . . and

G'day Graham . . . and welcome back Daniel! Graham, I obviously missed your suggestion of a 'reading group' when you first raised it - possibly it was before I became 'computerised' - otherwise I would have jumped at it. I think it's a great idea. Give me a call some time. About time we caught up anyway. Tim.
Walter PlingeWed, 6 Aug 2008, 04:10 pm

Agreement

I also agree with not Acting or Directing your own Play. I am fortunate enough to had two plays I've written performed , the others are still in the bottom draw or bouncing around the empty space in my head. Nowhere near a level that could be presented. I strongly believe that a play must be able to be directed and acted by others. This will show if it has true legs and is not just a writers indulgence. Workshopping a Play with experienced Actors and getting trusted Peers to read it is also a valuable part of the development. As said in earlier postings, cut, re-write and be prepared to delete your favourite bit. In the first draft of Johhnos Story there was a favourite speech of mine, but many of my readers said it came accross as a political manifesto, when I honestly looked at I decided they were right, so out came the red pen. On another point, once upon a time I was going to sign up for a creative writing course, during my research into what and where would be the most valuable course for me I stumbled accross an article by a well known writer who said that he had declined an offer from a prestigious English University to " Teach " creative Writing as he believed creative writing couldn't be taught, students either were creative writers or not, what could be taught was the mechanics of English, sentence construction etc.. but NOT Creativity. As a person who dabbles in Acting, Directing and Writing I would always encourge Australian Theatre to let Australian Voices be heard, full marks to Melville for giving this piece a run, as I haven't seen it I will not judge it, but good Theatre does not have to be from somewhere else. We all have our hits and misses. regards Bruce
jDWed, 6 Aug 2008, 10:52 pm

Rumours, what rumours?

Muzz, how do we keep our affair secret if you keep mentioning me in your posts! PS: Keep the bed warm, and I'll see you later tonight. xox
stingerMon, 18 Aug 2008, 11:24 am

let Australian Voices be heard - hear hear!

I saw the last night of 'Winter Warmers'. Allowing for the facts that they had a limited rehearsal period and some late recasting, I thought it was a hearty night's entertainment all round. It is a pity that 'Death's Dilemma' will not get another run at the one-act festivals. With a bit of script tightening (I did find it a bit repetitive - but I loved the doctor character) it should have gone over well. Ssstinger>>>
crgwllmsSat, 11 Oct 2008, 11:32 pm

English bastardisation

Grammar Nazi wrote: >> I really must object to "Walter's" use of the term "must of" instead of "must >> have". My dear, it really is a bastardisation of the English language. Sorry for >> the interuption....as you were.... Sorry, I know this is a rather old thread now...but I really love to find examples like this. Someone on their high horse about grammar usage, who can't spell the word 'interruption' ...!! Cheers, Craig ~<8>-/====\---------
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