Dennis Cleveland
Fri, 26 Jan 2001, 10:34 amDavid Ryding6 posts in thread
Dennis Cleveland
Fri, 26 Jan 2001, 10:34 amIt would be hard to justify Dennis Cleveland as Opera in the strictest sense, though I think life (and theatre) becomes very dull when we start judging everything ' in the strictest sense' What it is, is a very entertaining, thought provoking and rewarding theatrical experience.
Set in side the studio of a talk show television taping, complete with cameras, screens and warm up people the audience are taken through 90 minutes of Dennis Cleveland, (the host), talking to his guests and various members of the audience. This talking involving monologues, dialogue, solo song and moments of intense layered song (unlike anything I've heard before, almost simultaneous poetry).
What results is a fascinating, and at sometimes unrelenting, look at the media and influences on our lives and an interesting twist on who exactly are the monologues talking about themselves or ? At times it seemed almost installation like as the sound levels layered, the audience 'members' immersed themselves in the show and the real audience, watched each other, squirmed looking at their watches or danced to the music! Also, having yourself appear on a big screen behind the stage can do wonders to your feeling of unease in the audience.
It is hard to fault the performances of the American cast. The nature of their chorus roles as the guest of the show none really had a chance to shine but that isn't meant to be a negative comment on them as they were faultless in what they did,. It would be almost worth seeing the shows multi layered sections again to listen to separate cast members lines.
Didn't ever get enough of the single soloist at the back of the stage, apart from the action. Stunning voice, which I was always straining to hear. Not that it was hard it was just so damn good!
One complaint was that they were all miked. Possibly needed at other venues, but I personally found it a bit too amplified and took a little warmth out of their voices and performances (although I guess this may be have been planned also but I love hearing pure voices)
The Australian cast, (the audience plants), were on the whole very convincing, although the fact that they were so animated and there was no one sitting near most of them it wasn't hard to pick the plants, although I admit to being totally surprised by one of them. I must admit to being jarred by the Australian actors making American references but that was a little concern. A couple of performance were a little wooden but it was the first preview and the standard was high so this a little complaint.
Interestingly after writing such a positive review I'm still not sure exactly my sentiments about the show. It's production was great, its conceptsÂ…. I can't help but wonder that, culturally, the questions this show raises aren't as relevant as they would be for an American audience. Aside from our not really embracing the talk show format (okay we dip in but we don't go and see it live and hoot and holler)
A question for you who go and see it (and you should, this is theatre we're not going to produce here and if we do then it'll be on at PICA and no one will see it) when would an Australian audience say the final line of the play. My feeling would be it would be a long time before it does each night in the show.
Set in side the studio of a talk show television taping, complete with cameras, screens and warm up people the audience are taken through 90 minutes of Dennis Cleveland, (the host), talking to his guests and various members of the audience. This talking involving monologues, dialogue, solo song and moments of intense layered song (unlike anything I've heard before, almost simultaneous poetry).
What results is a fascinating, and at sometimes unrelenting, look at the media and influences on our lives and an interesting twist on who exactly are the monologues talking about themselves or ? At times it seemed almost installation like as the sound levels layered, the audience 'members' immersed themselves in the show and the real audience, watched each other, squirmed looking at their watches or danced to the music! Also, having yourself appear on a big screen behind the stage can do wonders to your feeling of unease in the audience.
It is hard to fault the performances of the American cast. The nature of their chorus roles as the guest of the show none really had a chance to shine but that isn't meant to be a negative comment on them as they were faultless in what they did,. It would be almost worth seeing the shows multi layered sections again to listen to separate cast members lines.
Didn't ever get enough of the single soloist at the back of the stage, apart from the action. Stunning voice, which I was always straining to hear. Not that it was hard it was just so damn good!
One complaint was that they were all miked. Possibly needed at other venues, but I personally found it a bit too amplified and took a little warmth out of their voices and performances (although I guess this may be have been planned also but I love hearing pure voices)
The Australian cast, (the audience plants), were on the whole very convincing, although the fact that they were so animated and there was no one sitting near most of them it wasn't hard to pick the plants, although I admit to being totally surprised by one of them. I must admit to being jarred by the Australian actors making American references but that was a little concern. A couple of performance were a little wooden but it was the first preview and the standard was high so this a little complaint.
Interestingly after writing such a positive review I'm still not sure exactly my sentiments about the show. It's production was great, its conceptsÂ…. I can't help but wonder that, culturally, the questions this show raises aren't as relevant as they would be for an American audience. Aside from our not really embracing the talk show format (okay we dip in but we don't go and see it live and hoot and holler)
A question for you who go and see it (and you should, this is theatre we're not going to produce here and if we do then it'll be on at PICA and no one will see it) when would an Australian audience say the final line of the play. My feeling would be it would be a long time before it does each night in the show.
David RydingFri, 26 Jan 2001, 10:34 am
It would be hard to justify Dennis Cleveland as Opera in the strictest sense, though I think life (and theatre) becomes very dull when we start judging everything ' in the strictest sense' What it is, is a very entertaining, thought provoking and rewarding theatrical experience.
Set in side the studio of a talk show television taping, complete with cameras, screens and warm up people the audience are taken through 90 minutes of Dennis Cleveland, (the host), talking to his guests and various members of the audience. This talking involving monologues, dialogue, solo song and moments of intense layered song (unlike anything I've heard before, almost simultaneous poetry).
What results is a fascinating, and at sometimes unrelenting, look at the media and influences on our lives and an interesting twist on who exactly are the monologues talking about themselves or ? At times it seemed almost installation like as the sound levels layered, the audience 'members' immersed themselves in the show and the real audience, watched each other, squirmed looking at their watches or danced to the music! Also, having yourself appear on a big screen behind the stage can do wonders to your feeling of unease in the audience.
It is hard to fault the performances of the American cast. The nature of their chorus roles as the guest of the show none really had a chance to shine but that isn't meant to be a negative comment on them as they were faultless in what they did,. It would be almost worth seeing the shows multi layered sections again to listen to separate cast members lines.
Didn't ever get enough of the single soloist at the back of the stage, apart from the action. Stunning voice, which I was always straining to hear. Not that it was hard it was just so damn good!
One complaint was that they were all miked. Possibly needed at other venues, but I personally found it a bit too amplified and took a little warmth out of their voices and performances (although I guess this may be have been planned also but I love hearing pure voices)
The Australian cast, (the audience plants), were on the whole very convincing, although the fact that they were so animated and there was no one sitting near most of them it wasn't hard to pick the plants, although I admit to being totally surprised by one of them. I must admit to being jarred by the Australian actors making American references but that was a little concern. A couple of performance were a little wooden but it was the first preview and the standard was high so this a little complaint.
Interestingly after writing such a positive review I'm still not sure exactly my sentiments about the show. It's production was great, its conceptsÂ…. I can't help but wonder that, culturally, the questions this show raises aren't as relevant as they would be for an American audience. Aside from our not really embracing the talk show format (okay we dip in but we don't go and see it live and hoot and holler)
A question for you who go and see it (and you should, this is theatre we're not going to produce here and if we do then it'll be on at PICA and no one will see it) when would an Australian audience say the final line of the play. My feeling would be it would be a long time before it does each night in the show.
Set in side the studio of a talk show television taping, complete with cameras, screens and warm up people the audience are taken through 90 minutes of Dennis Cleveland, (the host), talking to his guests and various members of the audience. This talking involving monologues, dialogue, solo song and moments of intense layered song (unlike anything I've heard before, almost simultaneous poetry).
What results is a fascinating, and at sometimes unrelenting, look at the media and influences on our lives and an interesting twist on who exactly are the monologues talking about themselves or ? At times it seemed almost installation like as the sound levels layered, the audience 'members' immersed themselves in the show and the real audience, watched each other, squirmed looking at their watches or danced to the music! Also, having yourself appear on a big screen behind the stage can do wonders to your feeling of unease in the audience.
It is hard to fault the performances of the American cast. The nature of their chorus roles as the guest of the show none really had a chance to shine but that isn't meant to be a negative comment on them as they were faultless in what they did,. It would be almost worth seeing the shows multi layered sections again to listen to separate cast members lines.
Didn't ever get enough of the single soloist at the back of the stage, apart from the action. Stunning voice, which I was always straining to hear. Not that it was hard it was just so damn good!
One complaint was that they were all miked. Possibly needed at other venues, but I personally found it a bit too amplified and took a little warmth out of their voices and performances (although I guess this may be have been planned also but I love hearing pure voices)
The Australian cast, (the audience plants), were on the whole very convincing, although the fact that they were so animated and there was no one sitting near most of them it wasn't hard to pick the plants, although I admit to being totally surprised by one of them. I must admit to being jarred by the Australian actors making American references but that was a little concern. A couple of performance were a little wooden but it was the first preview and the standard was high so this a little complaint.
Interestingly after writing such a positive review I'm still not sure exactly my sentiments about the show. It's production was great, its conceptsÂ…. I can't help but wonder that, culturally, the questions this show raises aren't as relevant as they would be for an American audience. Aside from our not really embracing the talk show format (okay we dip in but we don't go and see it live and hoot and holler)
A question for you who go and see it (and you should, this is theatre we're not going to produce here and if we do then it'll be on at PICA and no one will see it) when would an Australian audience say the final line of the play. My feeling would be it would be a long time before it does each night in the show.
Walter PlingeFri, 26 Jan 2001, 12:29 pm
RE: Dennis Cleveland
Did we see the same show on the same night?
The impression I received from the audience members I spoke to was that it was pretentious, loud, confusing, no plot line, the actors were going through the motions only and this was from the audience who actually stayed for the whole show.I didnt get a chance to speak to the many people who left during it.
I am sure you have some valid points, but from my point of view, the show was not a theatrical piece in the true sense, let alone being operatic in the true sense. I was very disappointed in it and hope that the simple fact that it is different will not sway people from judging it on its merits, (or lack of them).
The impression I received from the audience members I spoke to was that it was pretentious, loud, confusing, no plot line, the actors were going through the motions only and this was from the audience who actually stayed for the whole show.I didnt get a chance to speak to the many people who left during it.
I am sure you have some valid points, but from my point of view, the show was not a theatrical piece in the true sense, let alone being operatic in the true sense. I was very disappointed in it and hope that the simple fact that it is different will not sway people from judging it on its merits, (or lack of them).
David RydingFri, 26 Jan 2001, 11:02 pm
RE: Dennis Cleveland
I'm not really a big fan of people who constantly argue over minor points in these forums. Last year I had nearly thirty 'reviews' for one of my productions and only four of them commented on the play itself.
Thus of course I am a hypocrite. as here I am discussing minor points of my review. I don't know how I'll ever live with myself!
Prententious, loud, confusing and no plot line? Well i wouldn't disagree but I was entertained and it did provoke thought and as I asked at the end how relevant was it? ( i disagree outright with the going through the motions comment)
None of my comments or praise was derived from the fact that it was different! Really Mr Confused you'd think I was pretentious, confused and had no plot line if I just liked theatre because it was different.
I gave an honest account of what I thought, highlighting some areas I liked and not really talking about what I didn't like and I'm ecstatic that you thought enough to reply, though disappointed you didn't put your name with your review.
But not theatrical? Hmmm, I never realised theatrical was such a tightly defined area and I agree it wasn't opera, in the true sense of the word but I'm personally scared of a world where everything is in the "true sense of the word"
People walked out, people stayed and hated it and people loved every moment of it, Quite an interesting range of reactions for one nights audience, bit of a pity if we believe only one side is right.
Me. I enjoyed it.
Thanks
Dave Ryding
Thus of course I am a hypocrite. as here I am discussing minor points of my review. I don't know how I'll ever live with myself!
Prententious, loud, confusing and no plot line? Well i wouldn't disagree but I was entertained and it did provoke thought and as I asked at the end how relevant was it? ( i disagree outright with the going through the motions comment)
None of my comments or praise was derived from the fact that it was different! Really Mr Confused you'd think I was pretentious, confused and had no plot line if I just liked theatre because it was different.
I gave an honest account of what I thought, highlighting some areas I liked and not really talking about what I didn't like and I'm ecstatic that you thought enough to reply, though disappointed you didn't put your name with your review.
But not theatrical? Hmmm, I never realised theatrical was such a tightly defined area and I agree it wasn't opera, in the true sense of the word but I'm personally scared of a world where everything is in the "true sense of the word"
People walked out, people stayed and hated it and people loved every moment of it, Quite an interesting range of reactions for one nights audience, bit of a pity if we believe only one side is right.
Me. I enjoyed it.
Thanks
Dave Ryding
Walter PlingeSun, 28 Jan 2001, 05:26 pm
RE: Dennis Cleveland
I saw Dennis Cleveland last night and overall I was very impressed. If I really think hard I can isolate of quite a few things to complain about and if I think even harder I can come up with logical justifications for almost all of them as well. There is a lot to ponder in this piece and after all as Dennis Cleveland points out reality is all in the eyes of the beholder!
Now IÂ’m sure that may sound pretentious to some of you and maybe Dennis Cleveland was too, at certain places and from certain points. But then I also think that sometimes people use the word pretentious to describe things that made them feel inferior or uneducated when they didnÂ’t understand it. This comment is not intended as an insult to anyoneÂ’s intellect; rather what I am trying to suggest (in a really long winded way) is that maybe people didnÂ’t understand because they went with the wrong preconceived notions in mind.
For example if you went expecting something “theatrical” and in your opinion this piece did not fit with in the bounds of “theatrical” you wouldn’t like it. As another eg on the night I saw the show a lot of people snuck out in the blackouts too. I noticed that a lot of them were quite mature, age wise, and I felt that perhaps a lot of them might have come expecting an opera in a more traditional sense and hence been quite disgusted with a show that didn’t deliver on those expectations?
I am not a fan of opera in the traditional sense myself and maybe this is why I enjoyed it so much. The only expectation I took to this show was “God I hope it’s not a proper opera”. What actually attracted me to Dennis Cleveland was the fact that it sounded different. I enjoyed every minute of it because it really was just sooo different (call me a fool). I was quite mesmerised by it because I had never seen anything quite like it. Opera it certainly was not but a better description I do not have either. Dennis Cleveland has pop come dance music beats, choral and classical outbursts, rap, layers of harmony, chanting, dancing, indecipherable lyrics and much more.
Confusing, yes it defiantly was. Sometimes I couldnÂ’t even make out exactly what they were saying. But they did print out the main points on the monitors for all us fools to follow (not to say that the words always made perfect sense anyway). IÂ’d compare Dennis Cleveland with a poem; sometimes you donÂ’t need to really understand it to appreciate its beauty. Go see it not expecting anything and youÂ’ll leave wanting to see it again, I did anyway.
Dave, I think a real Aussie audience would have hollered the last line about 60 mins earlier, I on the other hand could have gagged Adrian for just a little bit longer, as I said it all in the eyes of the beholder!
Oh and if I havenÂ’t convinced you to go yet Mr Buttery thereÂ’s a beautiful body in a gorgeous red bra!!!
Now IÂ’m sure that may sound pretentious to some of you and maybe Dennis Cleveland was too, at certain places and from certain points. But then I also think that sometimes people use the word pretentious to describe things that made them feel inferior or uneducated when they didnÂ’t understand it. This comment is not intended as an insult to anyoneÂ’s intellect; rather what I am trying to suggest (in a really long winded way) is that maybe people didnÂ’t understand because they went with the wrong preconceived notions in mind.
For example if you went expecting something “theatrical” and in your opinion this piece did not fit with in the bounds of “theatrical” you wouldn’t like it. As another eg on the night I saw the show a lot of people snuck out in the blackouts too. I noticed that a lot of them were quite mature, age wise, and I felt that perhaps a lot of them might have come expecting an opera in a more traditional sense and hence been quite disgusted with a show that didn’t deliver on those expectations?
I am not a fan of opera in the traditional sense myself and maybe this is why I enjoyed it so much. The only expectation I took to this show was “God I hope it’s not a proper opera”. What actually attracted me to Dennis Cleveland was the fact that it sounded different. I enjoyed every minute of it because it really was just sooo different (call me a fool). I was quite mesmerised by it because I had never seen anything quite like it. Opera it certainly was not but a better description I do not have either. Dennis Cleveland has pop come dance music beats, choral and classical outbursts, rap, layers of harmony, chanting, dancing, indecipherable lyrics and much more.
Confusing, yes it defiantly was. Sometimes I couldnÂ’t even make out exactly what they were saying. But they did print out the main points on the monitors for all us fools to follow (not to say that the words always made perfect sense anyway). IÂ’d compare Dennis Cleveland with a poem; sometimes you donÂ’t need to really understand it to appreciate its beauty. Go see it not expecting anything and youÂ’ll leave wanting to see it again, I did anyway.
Dave, I think a real Aussie audience would have hollered the last line about 60 mins earlier, I on the other hand could have gagged Adrian for just a little bit longer, as I said it all in the eyes of the beholder!
Oh and if I havenÂ’t convinced you to go yet Mr Buttery thereÂ’s a beautiful body in a gorgeous red bra!!!
Walter PlingeWed, 31 Jan 2001, 09:11 am
RE: Dennis Cleveland
Apologies, Rayann, but I'm afraid that your opinion of a "beautiful body" differs substantially from mine. (Now, if it had been Dean Schulze on stage in the bra...)
JB
JB
Grant MalcolmSun, 4 Feb 2001, 06:00 am
RE: Dennis Cleveland
Has Banks got it right?
"My bet is that this American import will excite more debate than any other Festival show."
Cheers
Grant
"My bet is that this American import will excite more debate than any other Festival show."
Cheers
Grant