Feedback for Foss on Effies Loss
Tue, 31 Aug 1999, 07:06 pmGrant Malcolm18 posts in thread
Feedback for Foss on Effies Loss
Tue, 31 Aug 1999, 07:06 pmThe Letters page in today's (31/8) West featured a couple of responses from prominent and well respected actors commenting on the demise of Effie Crump Theatre. I found myself concurring with pretty much everything they had to say.Overnight practically one quarter of our mainstream professional industry died. If you tallied up the number of productions and theatre artists employed over a year by Effies and compared the output of this tiny theatre to that of some of our fully funded outfits, you might well surmise that we lost better than half the industry!While Foss is reported (The West, 18/8) to have said that funding for the arts is "... not an employment subsidy for actors...", i'd like to know when the voters asked for it to be a million dollar employment subsidy for managers, executives and bureaucrats (on 3 times the salary of a jobbing actor) to sit in dark theatres making deals to import expensive interstate and overseas shows.It was interesting though to examine what the two correspondents had to say about "amateur" and "unpaid" theatre. One letter opened "Shame on you, Peter Foss. You are obviously more comfortable dealing with the amateur rather than the professional performer". I'm not sure that the distinction drawn gave much credit to the argument. Given the rate of unemployment and abysmal working conditions for professional actors, i think the amateur and professional in Perth share some things in common. Perhaps most of all, that none of us are in it for the money. We are all in some sense "amateurs" - doing it for love. That successive governments have played on this factor, decimating our theatre industry, is inexcusable.The second correspondent contrasted the huge amount paid to a private firm to manage major Perth venues and the low level of funding received by the Blue Room Theatre. The former providing few if any opportunities for local artists while the latter "exists for the under-funded locals where actors work for nothing. It has a loyal following because of cheap tickets and the passion and innovation of the artists." Does that sound familiar to anyone?CheersGrant
Grant MalcolmTue, 31 Aug 1999, 07:06 pm
The Letters page in today's (31/8) West featured a couple of responses from prominent and well respected actors commenting on the demise of Effie Crump Theatre. I found myself concurring with pretty much everything they had to say.Overnight practically one quarter of our mainstream professional industry died. If you tallied up the number of productions and theatre artists employed over a year by Effies and compared the output of this tiny theatre to that of some of our fully funded outfits, you might well surmise that we lost better than half the industry!While Foss is reported (The West, 18/8) to have said that funding for the arts is "... not an employment subsidy for actors...", i'd like to know when the voters asked for it to be a million dollar employment subsidy for managers, executives and bureaucrats (on 3 times the salary of a jobbing actor) to sit in dark theatres making deals to import expensive interstate and overseas shows.It was interesting though to examine what the two correspondents had to say about "amateur" and "unpaid" theatre. One letter opened "Shame on you, Peter Foss. You are obviously more comfortable dealing with the amateur rather than the professional performer". I'm not sure that the distinction drawn gave much credit to the argument. Given the rate of unemployment and abysmal working conditions for professional actors, i think the amateur and professional in Perth share some things in common. Perhaps most of all, that none of us are in it for the money. We are all in some sense "amateurs" - doing it for love. That successive governments have played on this factor, decimating our theatre industry, is inexcusable.The second correspondent contrasted the huge amount paid to a private firm to manage major Perth venues and the low level of funding received by the Blue Room Theatre. The former providing few if any opportunities for local artists while the latter "exists for the under-funded locals where actors work for nothing. It has a loyal following because of cheap tickets and the passion and innovation of the artists." Does that sound familiar to anyone?CheersGrant
JoeMcTue, 31 Aug 1999, 09:40 pm
Re: Effies Loss - Union loose
I wonder what the Arts Media Alliance (Actor's Equity Section) are doing -not a word so far.Or could be our pro's are too poor to keep up their membership fee's.geez I am stupid! I forgot, it is the Media section (reporters) here - we are in the wrong state!Joe
LabrugWed, 1 Sept 1999, 10:33 am
Re: Effies Loss - Union loose
EMAILNOTICES>no> I wonder what the Arts Media Alliance (Actor's Equity Section)> are doing -> not a word so far.Oh yes there is. Got a SCATHING copy of a letter (plus Press Release) from S.Shaw of the MEAA. OUCH for Peter Foss, but he deserves it.I'm discussing putting these articles onto the Web for general publication as there are quite large to post here, but if you are interested in getting a copy from me, mail me at;labrug@yahoo.comI'll be happy to send a copy.Jeff "Revolutionary" Watkins
Grant MalcolmWed, 1 Sept 1999, 01:56 pm
Re: Effies Loss - Unions hogtied!
> Oh yes there is. Got a SCATHING copy of a letter (plus Press> Release) from S.Shaw of the MEAA. OUCH for Peter Foss, but he deserves> it.You'll find some of this reproduced in the Today section of the West (1/9/99) in an article by Ron Banks. I couldn't help feeling that Banks' headline "Knives out for Foss" and comments about "mounting sniping behing Foss's back" neatly encapsulate the difficulties faced by the MEAA and its members. It's the proverbial "looking the gift horse in the mouth".How many of us would expect to be cast by a director whom we have openly criticised? Would you expect to receive continuing funding from an Arts Minister you've openly and publicly attacked? There is so much competition for roles and arts funding that individuals and companies have been understandably reluctant to rock the boat.I don't envy Steve and the MEAA, their membership have been screaming for action on a range of issues (late payments and unusual casting!!), but individual actors have suffered these difficulties, not prepared to risk their careers by making a fuss.Effie's would appear to be the straw that has broken the camel's back.> I'm discussing putting these articles onto the Web for general> publication as there are quite large to post here, but if you are> interested in getting a copy from me, mail me at;Jeff, if Steve is happy for you to put them up, please go for it and you could put a link to them here in the Green Room. If you don't have space to host them yourself (hah!) then by all means, do pass them along and i'll put them up.A healthy professional industry is vital for continuing growth and development within the community theatres and both sectors could support each other in this important fight.CheersGrant
JoeMcWed, 1 Sept 1999, 07:42 pm
Theatre's Loss
> A healthy professional industry is vital for continuing growth> and development within the community theatres and both sectors could> support each other in this important fight.As I do not get the West during the week, I am glad the Union has addressed this at last, I tried their web page and found - not a lot about the west - but, this is the same with most Federal Orginisations, unless it happens in the east where the most members are - it only 'may' get a mention? But, that's our cross.While this concerns those who are paid! As Grant suggested, it is an important fight, especialy here where there is more bonding between the sectors - because of the nature and size of theatre arts. Most have a foot in each patch!What does amaze me is the time it has taken for a response - this could be the fact that 'they did not know - untill the weekend' - I doubt it! Sleepy hollow prevails again!Sure there is a reluctance to 'rock the boat' on an individual basis, but this is a collective one and now should be an all encompassing one - including 'us lot'.We are so bond together, especaily here - more so than else where,because if someone flush's their loo - it empties our bath, not to mention the shower!Remember, we are only dealing with a Governement Minister, who tends to play with square blocks in round holes - as most of them do, by pidgeon holing and putting us on the casting couch,under the ARTZ. Which does nothing to FOSS-ter theatre in general. Beyond new Performing Artz Centres - while they are filling an important all round role - however, the input is generated by and within the community, not the ARTZ Department. I could be wrong, but I would like to see the extent of these acheivements? His counterpart in Victoria can and does( all the time ) , but that's another story!I hope you can get it up and running - Jeff and Grant - you communicate better than I do and at least get up to date news.Joe 'Always a day away' - "behind" McCabe
Walter PlingeWed, 1 Sept 1999, 09:23 pm
Re: Effies Loss - Union loose
What's a loose union?(And it's the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance you're thinking of)> Joe
Walter PlingeWed, 1 Sept 1999, 09:35 pm
Re: Effies Loss - Unions hogtied!
EMAILNOTICES>noBanks doesn't write the headlines, the sub-editors do. He has no say in them.
Walter PlingeWed, 1 Sept 1999, 09:42 pm
Re: Theatre's Loss
EMAILNOTICES>noYou're nor just dealing with a government minister, you are dealing with the whole State Government, which has appointed Foss to represent them in this area. Toeing the party line is a political constant and if any of his ministers came under fire, the Premier would give them his utmost support.Not that I agree with what's happening, but that's what happens every single time.
LabrugThu, 2 Sept 1999, 09:34 am
Theatre's Fight
EMAILNOTICES>no> You're nor just dealing with a government minister, you are dealing> with the whole State Government, ...And a mis-led public it seems. My job involves lots of communication with community teachers across WA and one such teacher was commenting on things said by parents after a local Talent Show. One such comment in particular - ";I can only hope this puts them off it in future."; - puts the young girls off theatre/performing that is.Where has this come from? I can guess several places myself but have no real clue. We are fighting an attitude and an ingrained perception of our chosen past-times, or careers. They have no experience of the life of theatre yet feel confident that it's not a good life to follow. Maybe we should all quit and let those addicted to TV shows, the news and Movies have to find Old ways to amuse themselves (or new in regards to computers.) Would that make them think twice? I would like to think so. Would that make all the J.E.'s of the world realise that We have a damn good case here? I believe it would.Take away a kids toy and he cries. It's cruel I know but when the don't how to use what they have properly, what else can you do?We obviously cannot just simply stop. This is a fantasy that I have toyed with. Childish dreams, but we can treat our enthusiasm and passion as a disease and encourage its spread throughout the community into the hearts and minds of those who vote and into those who get voted.I don't expect this to happen overnight (but it will happen) because we have been too quiet for too long. It will take time, but with voices like the MEAA, the ITA and fellow Actors and Journalists we can start a ground movement.I love theatre, the arts and all those with passions like my own. I will do what I can and will never quit until I am the last one who cares.Peter Foss and other J.E.s - Wake up and Grow Down!Jeff ";Lolly-pop Gun Boy"; Watkins
JoeMcThu, 2 Sept 1999, 12:07 pm
Re: Effies Loss - Union loose
> What's a loose union?> (And it's the Media, Entertainment and Arts Alliance you're thinking> of)>OOOOPS!!!!Thanks George - thats why I am just a lowly sparky and not an Actor.And I realise it's the MEAA - but most,I know refer, to it as the Arts Media Alliance or Arts Alliance or Alliance or Theatre Employee's Union or the Grand Onion or ...... - I think and from the postings, they know who I ment - it's also MEAA on the O.K card.But thanks once again for pointing this out for those who may not know and your assistance in pointing it out.RegardsJoe ";IN - IT up to my ...."; McCabe
JoeMcThu, 2 Sept 1999, 12:17 pm
Re: Theatre's Loss
> You're nor just dealing with a government minister, you are dealing> with the whole State Government, which has appointed Foss to represent> them in this area. Toeing the party line is a political constant and> if any of his ministers came under fire, the Premier would give them> his utmost support.> Not that I agree with what's happening, but that's what happens> every single time.Too true George.But less then this has knocked over the best of them, I live in hope - there again what would the next one be like, the same as before?Maybe attention should be focused on their advisors or under secret-aries, who run the show - Yes Minister????Joe ";Mug schlep"; McCabe
Walter PlingeThu, 2 Sept 1999, 04:47 pm
Re: Effies Loss - Union loose
EMAILNOTICES>noMost people just call it the Alliance, given it incorporates so many bodies.
Walter PlingeThu, 2 Sept 1999, 04:54 pm
Re: Theatre's Loss
EMAILNOTICES>noNo, their underlings won't help. Try talkback radio or anything that can make the pollies look bad and then they'll go into damage control.
Walter PlingeThu, 2 Sept 1999, 05:03 pm
Re: Theatre's Fight
EMAILNOTICES>noYou'll always get the cynics - but as for where the idea of getting them off the idea comes from... it's constantly referred to that life as an actor means being unemployed 90 per cent of the time. Or maybe the parent hates all the running around and time demands. Come on, everyone knows at least one mother from a school who is the biggest pain in the world and wants to shoot everything down in flames.
LabrugThu, 2 Sept 1999, 06:51 pm
Re: Theatre's Fight
EMAILNOTICES>no> Take away a kids toy and he cries. It's cruel I know but when> the don't how to use what they have properly, what else can you do?Just reading MY OWN POSTING and realised how badly I'm suffering from Monday-itis.Let me repeat - Take away a kid's toy and he cries. It's cruel I know but when they don't know how to use what they have, properly, what else can you do.I think that makes better sense.Jeff ";Sorry for the Confusion"; Watkins
JoeMcThu, 2 Sept 1999, 07:47 pm
Re: Theatre's Loss
> No, their underlings won't help. Try talkback radio or anything> that can make the pollies look bad and then they'll go into damage> control.Yeh - just like .... when they could only see the wood and not the tree's.... your not suggesting .... another pro-dicky-ment? ....surely NOT!?!?Joe
JoeMcThu, 2 Sept 1999, 08:03 pm
Re: Theatre's Fight
> Just reading MY OWN POSTING and realised how badly I'm suffering> from Monday-itis.> Let me repeat - Take away a kid's toy and he cries. It's cruel> I know but when they don't know how to use what they have, properly,> what else can you do.> I think that makes better sense.> Jeff ";Sorry for the Confusion"; WatkinsI can't see a problem with the first one -MONDAYS tomorow Jeff!At least it had all the elements of pathos ,,,,, hippodrome ,,,, collisi,,,,Ok Passion!Joe ";focus'd"; Mc,,,,?
Walter PlingeThu, 2 Sept 1999, 10:46 pm
Re: Theatre's Loss
EMAILNOTICES>noWhy not? Someone might notice then...