New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
Fri, 6 Jan 2006, 07:15 pmcrgwllms27 posts in thread
New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
Fri, 6 Jan 2006, 07:15 pmYes, it's about time the poll was updated.
New topic, relevant to WA Finley Awards but open to anyone else who has an opinion.
Do you think nominees for a Community Theatre awards night should be announced before the event?
The Poll-tergeist
New topic, relevant to WA Finley Awards but open to anyone else who has an opinion.
Do you think nominees for a Community Theatre awards night should be announced before the event?
The Poll-tergeist
crgwllmsFri, 6 Jan 2006, 07:15 pm
Yes, it's about time the poll was updated.
New topic, relevant to WA Finley Awards but open to anyone else who has an opinion.
Do you think nominees for a Community Theatre awards night should be announced before the event?
The Poll-tergeist
New topic, relevant to WA Finley Awards but open to anyone else who has an opinion.
Do you think nominees for a Community Theatre awards night should be announced before the event?
The Poll-tergeist
TaureanFri, 6 Jan 2006, 11:51 pm
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
YAY for the new Poll....
Unfortunately though when I voted I was somewhat horrified by the attitude of others who had voted before me.
I cannot understand how people can claim to support Community Theatre and then vote "Yes. So I can decide whether to not IÂ’ll go." (This, just for the record, held a 72% majority at the time I put my vote in)
Surely, if you are a true supporter you would go, regardless of who was or was not nominated for an award or whether or not "your club" was in with a chance.
I can now fully appreciate exactly why the Finlay Awards Committee does not announce the nominees before the event. Because obviously if they did those that didn't like the way the votes had fallen would simply not bother to show up, thereby leaving us with what would rapidly become a non-event.
Come on people, get behind the theatre you all claim to love so much, and support the crew that are trying their damndest to make “The Finlay’ s” a great night out for everyone, not just the winners!
Unfortunately though when I voted I was somewhat horrified by the attitude of others who had voted before me.
I cannot understand how people can claim to support Community Theatre and then vote "Yes. So I can decide whether to not IÂ’ll go." (This, just for the record, held a 72% majority at the time I put my vote in)
Surely, if you are a true supporter you would go, regardless of who was or was not nominated for an award or whether or not "your club" was in with a chance.
I can now fully appreciate exactly why the Finlay Awards Committee does not announce the nominees before the event. Because obviously if they did those that didn't like the way the votes had fallen would simply not bother to show up, thereby leaving us with what would rapidly become a non-event.
Come on people, get behind the theatre you all claim to love so much, and support the crew that are trying their damndest to make “The Finlay’ s” a great night out for everyone, not just the winners!
Walter PlingeSat, 7 Jan 2006, 09:03 am
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
But what about companies who are from out of town? If they are nominated more people would be willing to travel the distance to support their club, instead of just those who can afford the costs/time?
I know this is what happened when a regional theatre company was nominated in the Victorian Theatre Guild Awards. We were 2 and a half hours from the venue, but because we had scored a handful of nominations a total of twenty people turned up to support their company, instead of the normal two people.
I don't know if there are many companies in regional areas entered in the Finley awards, but organisers should spare a thought for those who have to travel. Knowing in advance can give them a chance to rally the troops. Don't underestimate the support a country town will give their shows!
And it is also exciting to know what companies / or shows are battling it out!
Just an idea.
Ruth.
I know this is what happened when a regional theatre company was nominated in the Victorian Theatre Guild Awards. We were 2 and a half hours from the venue, but because we had scored a handful of nominations a total of twenty people turned up to support their company, instead of the normal two people.
I don't know if there are many companies in regional areas entered in the Finley awards, but organisers should spare a thought for those who have to travel. Knowing in advance can give them a chance to rally the troops. Don't underestimate the support a country town will give their shows!
And it is also exciting to know what companies / or shows are battling it out!
Just an idea.
Ruth.
crgwllmsSat, 7 Jan 2006, 11:02 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
Taurean wrote:
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> YAY for the new Poll....
> Unfortunately though when I voted I was somewhat horrified by
> the attitude of others who had voted before me.
> I cannot understand how people can claim to support Community
> Theatre and then vote "Yes. So I can decide whether to not
> IÂ’ll go." (This, just for the record, held a 72% majority at
> the time I put my vote in)
Possibly a little premature to be so somewhat horrified...At the time of your post there can't have been many more than 10 or 12 votes cast. When the likelihood is that 200 or more will vote over the next fortnight, that early 72% really meant nothing at all. I just looked again and it's up to 40 votes, with 'No' and 'Yes' roughly even. We should probably give it a bit more than a few hours to draw any conclusions!
Also, don't forget this is a National (perhaps international) website. For that reason I edited the poll suggestion to remove any direct local reference to the WA Finleys. I'm hoping people in other states will contribute their opinion on the topic, to get a more comprehensive result.
Personally, if I think about the question in a larger context, knowing the nominees DOES make a difference as to how much I'll pay attention to, say, the Oscars. I pay close attention to the local Equity Guild Awards, because I usually know all the nominees, but the governing factor as to whether I attend is simply 'Am I available on the night?'.
Once, I found out I was nominated for a major state award, AFTER I'd won it...! (I happened to be overseas at the time, so I guess they had an excuse for not announcing it to me).
And for the Finleys, I think the more relevant question that should be on everybody's lips is, "Who's the host?"
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> YAY for the new Poll....
> Unfortunately though when I voted I was somewhat horrified by
> the attitude of others who had voted before me.
> I cannot understand how people can claim to support Community
> Theatre and then vote "Yes. So I can decide whether to not
> IÂ’ll go." (This, just for the record, held a 72% majority at
> the time I put my vote in)
Possibly a little premature to be so somewhat horrified...At the time of your post there can't have been many more than 10 or 12 votes cast. When the likelihood is that 200 or more will vote over the next fortnight, that early 72% really meant nothing at all. I just looked again and it's up to 40 votes, with 'No' and 'Yes' roughly even. We should probably give it a bit more than a few hours to draw any conclusions!
Also, don't forget this is a National (perhaps international) website. For that reason I edited the poll suggestion to remove any direct local reference to the WA Finleys. I'm hoping people in other states will contribute their opinion on the topic, to get a more comprehensive result.
Personally, if I think about the question in a larger context, knowing the nominees DOES make a difference as to how much I'll pay attention to, say, the Oscars. I pay close attention to the local Equity Guild Awards, because I usually know all the nominees, but the governing factor as to whether I attend is simply 'Am I available on the night?'.
Once, I found out I was nominated for a major state award, AFTER I'd won it...! (I happened to be overseas at the time, so I guess they had an excuse for not announcing it to me).
And for the Finleys, I think the more relevant question that should be on everybody's lips is, "Who's the host?"
The Poll-tergeist
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Walter PlingeSat, 7 Jan 2006, 11:06 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
Hi Craig
Rumour has it that the host is a man of excellent taste, reputation and witty repartee.
I will be going to the award night if only to see his fabulous presenting!
Kerri
Rumour has it that the host is a man of excellent taste, reputation and witty repartee.
I will be going to the award night if only to see his fabulous presenting!
Kerri
crgwllmsSat, 7 Jan 2006, 11:32 pm
Re: the Big Night
Kerri wrote:
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> Hi Craig
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> Rumour has it that the host is a man of excellent taste,
> reputation and witty repartee.
> I will be going to the award night if only to see his
> fabulous presenting!
Excellent taste?? But hang on, didn't he play a ukulele last year?
Appreciate that, Kerri.
See you there.
Cheers,
Craig
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> Hi Craig
>
> Rumour has it that the host is a man of excellent taste,
> reputation and witty repartee.
> I will be going to the award night if only to see his
> fabulous presenting!
Excellent taste?? But hang on, didn't he play a ukulele last year?
Appreciate that, Kerri.
See you there.
Cheers,
Craig
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Melissa MerchantSat, 7 Jan 2006, 11:32 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
Melissa
Melissa
crgwllmsSat, 7 Jan 2006, 11:48 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
Melissa Merchant wrote:
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> I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
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> Melissa
What?? Not to keep things organized and keep me from falling on my arse, like you did last year? Surely you can do both!
Hmm. Host is going to have to resort to safe tactics. Better find that ukulele again....
crg
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> I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
>
> Melissa
What?? Not to keep things organized and keep me from falling on my arse, like you did last year? Surely you can do both!
Hmm. Host is going to have to resort to safe tactics. Better find that ukulele again....
crg
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Walter PlingeSun, 8 Jan 2006, 01:07 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
I'm looking forward to satisfying my foot fetish and watching people prance around their stage in bare feet at every opportunity.
Walter PlingeSun, 8 Jan 2006, 01:13 pm
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
About 100 people are coming from the country for this event (that I know of)
I think that is a pretty good turnout, for people that don't know the nominees!
Cheers
Robert.
I think that is a pretty good turnout, for people that don't know the nominees!
Cheers
Robert.
Walter PlingeSun, 8 Jan 2006, 03:31 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
Two even more relevant questions are:-
1) will the bar manager be that wonderfully witty and charming chap who did the job last year? and
2) will Melissa wear shoes with her pretty frock this year?
Those are actually rhetoric as I know the answer to both:-
1) yes, and
2) also yes, but only until the champagne kicks in.
1) will the bar manager be that wonderfully witty and charming chap who did the job last year? and
2) will Melissa wear shoes with her pretty frock this year?
Those are actually rhetoric as I know the answer to both:-
1) yes, and
2) also yes, but only until the champagne kicks in.
Walter PlingeSun, 8 Jan 2006, 05:59 pm
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
Here's a thought - why not *try* announcing the nominees beforehand one year and, if an unmitigated disaster, then a benchmark is set and the ITA knows never to do it again! But if it makes no difference, announce them each year.
Walter PlingeSun, 8 Jan 2006, 08:07 pm
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
Is it possible (Grant, Crg, or anyone with more computer nous than me.....which is most of the population over 10 years old) to manipulate poll results? There seems to have been a large number of votes all voting the same way in a short space of time.
calMon, 9 Jan 2006, 11:00 am
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
Hey there,
In Newcastle we have the CONDA's (City of Newcastle Drama Awards), and the nominations are announced before the night of the actual awards. The thing is that over here every company is considered for nominations, not just those who submit to be considered. We also have professional and non professional categories. And it does make a difference having them announced beforehand, because you will have some people say, oh well didn't get a nomination so I won't go, but this is in the minority. Most people treat it like a reasonable excuse to have (quite) a few drinks, wear a pretty frock and play catch up or play up.
Cheers
Carolyn
In Newcastle we have the CONDA's (City of Newcastle Drama Awards), and the nominations are announced before the night of the actual awards. The thing is that over here every company is considered for nominations, not just those who submit to be considered. We also have professional and non professional categories. And it does make a difference having them announced beforehand, because you will have some people say, oh well didn't get a nomination so I won't go, but this is in the minority. Most people treat it like a reasonable excuse to have (quite) a few drinks, wear a pretty frock and play catch up or play up.
Cheers
Carolyn
Walter PlingeMon, 9 Jan 2006, 04:58 pm
Re: New Poll (shock!) - Before the Big Night
Well, I just sneaked another look at the poll figures so far...
Looks as though the Yesses have it in the bag!
However, the reason for the yesses voting yes seem to justify the ITAs taking a 'no' stance.
Looks as though the Yesses have it in the bag!
However, the reason for the yesses voting yes seem to justify the ITAs taking a 'no' stance.
crgwllmsMon, 9 Jan 2006, 05:33 pm
Re: The Poll is half full, or...
Paul Treasure wrote:
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> Well, I just sneaked another look at the poll figures so far...
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> Looks as though the Yesses have it in the bag!
> However, the reason for the yesses voting yes seem to justify
> the ITAs taking a 'no' stance.
Ah, but that's only if you assume more people would decide NOT to go if they announced the nominees.
How do you know that announcing the nominees wouldn't encourage MORE people to attend..?
Cheers,
Craig
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> Well, I just sneaked another look at the poll figures so far...
>
> Looks as though the Yesses have it in the bag!
> However, the reason for the yesses voting yes seem to justify
> the ITAs taking a 'no' stance.
Ah, but that's only if you assume more people would decide NOT to go if they announced the nominees.
How do you know that announcing the nominees wouldn't encourage MORE people to attend..?
Cheers,
Craig
crgwllmsMon, 9 Jan 2006, 05:50 pm
Re: Suspicious Polls
Dean Schulze wrote:
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> Is it possible (Grant, Crg, or anyone with more computer nous
> than me.....which is most of the population over 10 years
> old) to manipulate poll results? There seems to have been a
> large number of votes all voting the same way in a short
> space of time.
Yes, it's entirely possible. A couple of years ago I completely manipulated the results of a stagnant poll as a joke, which led to Grant giving me the keys to the poll engine so I could play with it more productively.
Poll results are a guide only, to be used purely for entertainment purposes. There is nothing particularly accurate or definitive about the statistics they appear to indicate. With that in mind, they can still be useful as a rough guide to current opinion.
If the results WERE tampered with, it still gives an indication of the strength of feeling surrounding a particular response. However, I think that's actually unlikely, and find it interesting that the question of suspicion should even be considered. To me it suggests a degree of defensiveness when a particular result is felt strongly enough about.
The Poll-tergeist
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> Is it possible (Grant, Crg, or anyone with more computer nous
> than me.....which is most of the population over 10 years
> old) to manipulate poll results? There seems to have been a
> large number of votes all voting the same way in a short
> space of time.
Yes, it's entirely possible. A couple of years ago I completely manipulated the results of a stagnant poll as a joke, which led to Grant giving me the keys to the poll engine so I could play with it more productively.
Poll results are a guide only, to be used purely for entertainment purposes. There is nothing particularly accurate or definitive about the statistics they appear to indicate. With that in mind, they can still be useful as a rough guide to current opinion.
If the results WERE tampered with, it still gives an indication of the strength of feeling surrounding a particular response. However, I think that's actually unlikely, and find it interesting that the question of suspicion should even be considered. To me it suggests a degree of defensiveness when a particular result is felt strongly enough about.
The Poll-tergeist
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Walter PlingeMon, 9 Jan 2006, 10:40 pm
Re: Suspicious Polls
I only queried it because between checking the results one morning and that same afternoon, there seemed to be between 20 and 30 votes registered all the same way. You would think there would be somewhat of a spread.
The way I see it, we can't go on together, with suspicious polls. Guess I'm just caught in a trap.
The way I see it, we can't go on together, with suspicious polls. Guess I'm just caught in a trap.
crgwllmsMon, 9 Jan 2006, 10:58 pm
Re: Suspicious Polls
Well, can't you just walk out?
crg
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Walter PlingeTue, 10 Jan 2006, 01:02 pm
Re: Suspicious Polls
No, because I .................... let's just leave it there shall we.
bruceTue, 10 Jan 2006, 01:40 pm
Re: The Poll is half full, or...
Announcing the nominees before the big night would create massive threads from disgruntled, grumpy, miffed and shocked people involved in shows who missed out on the final list. Never mind the number of punters who turn up! What you would lose from the despondant you would pick up from the hopeful.
There have been some great debates on this site in the past, after an Awards night, when a particular show or person missed out on an award. ( "Noises Off" is one example) Just imagine the outcry if they hadn't even got past first base.
It would be great Theatre in itself as some correspondents are quite witty and informative and a minority are vindictive and rude. I personaly find the grumpy and angry posts some of the funniest reads, I can sit back and have a giggle when I imagine the hammering some poor keyboard got while the message was thumped out. The angry red faced huffing and puffing foot stamping Actor/ Director screaming at a screen about being shunned by their peers.
The review section is plain boring when a "love in" develops about a particular show. I suspect these flowery writings are by the lovers, the Mums and Dads or the Cast themselves. The Review section is at it's best ( and possibly most Honest) when someone posts even the slightest critisim of a production . Once the bile and attacks begin the thread becomes compulsive reading. Then we get the full mix of the intelligent, thought out arguments and the raging personal attacks.
I say announce the Nominees before Christmas so we all have some fun over the break.
Cheers and Cold Beers
Bruce
There have been some great debates on this site in the past, after an Awards night, when a particular show or person missed out on an award. ( "Noises Off" is one example) Just imagine the outcry if they hadn't even got past first base.
It would be great Theatre in itself as some correspondents are quite witty and informative and a minority are vindictive and rude. I personaly find the grumpy and angry posts some of the funniest reads, I can sit back and have a giggle when I imagine the hammering some poor keyboard got while the message was thumped out. The angry red faced huffing and puffing foot stamping Actor/ Director screaming at a screen about being shunned by their peers.
The review section is plain boring when a "love in" develops about a particular show. I suspect these flowery writings are by the lovers, the Mums and Dads or the Cast themselves. The Review section is at it's best ( and possibly most Honest) when someone posts even the slightest critisim of a production . Once the bile and attacks begin the thread becomes compulsive reading. Then we get the full mix of the intelligent, thought out arguments and the raging personal attacks.
I say announce the Nominees before Christmas so we all have some fun over the break.
Cheers and Cold Beers
Bruce
TobyThu, 12 Jan 2006, 03:17 pm
Re: New Poll - Before the Big Night
Melissa Merchant wrote:
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> I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
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> Melissa
On the other hand you can wear nothing at all :op
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> I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
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> Melissa
On the other hand you can wear nothing at all :op
crgwllmsThu, 12 Jan 2006, 05:28 pm
Re: Give her a big hand
toby wrote:
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> Melissa Merchant wrote:
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> > I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
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> > Melissa
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> On the other hand you can wear nothing at all :op
Who said she had an intention to wear gloves on either hand?
crg
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> Melissa Merchant wrote:
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> > I'm going so I can wear a pretty frock :)
> >
> > Melissa
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> On the other hand you can wear nothing at all :op
Who said she had an intention to wear gloves on either hand?
crg
crgwllmsThu, 2 Feb 2006, 12:48 am
Poll Result: Before the Big Night
Do you think nominees for a Community Theatre awards night should be announced before the event?
551 participants in 4 weeks.
Yes. So I can decide whether or not I`ll go 344 votes (62%)
No. It would ruin the excitement of the night 100 votes (18%)
Yes. But I`m still not going. 47 votes (8%)
Yes. And I`d still go, nominated or not 44 votes (8%)
No. People/Companies who aren`t nominated might not turn up 14 votes (2%)
A lot of response to this one, probably in light of the WA Finley Awards.
The vast majority of respondents would prefer that nominees are announced prior to making a decision as to whether or not to attend.
This response didn't seem to effect attendance at the Finley Awards, though...
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551 participants in 4 weeks.
Yes. So I can decide whether or not I`ll go 344 votes (62%)
No. It would ruin the excitement of the night 100 votes (18%)
Yes. But I`m still not going. 47 votes (8%)
Yes. And I`d still go, nominated or not 44 votes (8%)
No. People/Companies who aren`t nominated might not turn up 14 votes (2%)
A lot of response to this one, probably in light of the WA Finley Awards.
The vast majority of respondents would prefer that nominees are announced prior to making a decision as to whether or not to attend.
This response didn't seem to effect attendance at the Finley Awards, though...
The Poll-tergeist
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