any opera?
Sun, 3 Oct 2004, 01:19 pmWalter Plinge15 posts in thread
any opera?
Sun, 3 Oct 2004, 01:19 pmjust wondering if there will be an opera anyone can recommend, coming to perth from november 2004 onwards???
Thou reeky folly-fallen gudgeon!
THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
Thou reeky folly-fallen gudgeon!
THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
Walter PlingeSun, 3 Oct 2004, 01:19 pm
just wondering if there will be an opera anyone can recommend, coming to perth from november 2004 onwards???
Thou reeky folly-fallen gudgeon!
THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
Thou reeky folly-fallen gudgeon!
THANKS IN ADVANCE!!!
JessTue, 5 Oct 2004, 02:22 pm
Re: any opera?
This isn't opera specifically, but the WA Symphony Orchestra (WASO) is performing Verdi's "Requiem" on 12th & 13th November.
The WASO Chorus & "international" (their words) soloists are joining the orchestra. I think they may still be looking for some more males, but I am not sure, as we seem to have grown a bit after some recent auditions.
If you want to get involved, call Jody Harrison at the WASO office on 08 9326 0058. They will definitely be interested in more people for next year's season.
Just as a finishing comment - should this have come under "Musicals & Opera"?
Jess
The WASO Chorus & "international" (their words) soloists are joining the orchestra. I think they may still be looking for some more males, but I am not sure, as we seem to have grown a bit after some recent auditions.
If you want to get involved, call Jody Harrison at the WASO office on 08 9326 0058. They will definitely be interested in more people for next year's season.
Just as a finishing comment - should this have come under "Musicals & Opera"?
Jess
Walter PlingeWed, 6 Oct 2004, 07:21 am
Re: any opera?
firstly sorry i should have posted this in musicals/opera and i was interested in SEEING an opera... thanks for your help guys/gals!
Thou saucy plume-plucked hedge-pig!
Thou saucy plume-plucked hedge-pig!
Walter PlingeWed, 6 Oct 2004, 07:38 am
Re: any opera?
heya blake, this end of november, 27,29 &1st; in majesty's theatre there's going to be Mozart's le Nozze di Figaro. It's presented by 'the only' Australian Opera Studio. If you want to listen and see some future international opera stars, u can start it from here. Verdi's Requiem is not really a requiem; its an opera :P. I think both of them are really something to look forward to. We've been spending weekends rehearsing for those.
Ben.
Ben.
Walter PlingeWed, 6 Oct 2004, 11:05 am
Re: any opera?
Ben17 wrote:
>
> heya blake, this end of november, 27,29 &1st; in majesty's
> theatre there's going to be Mozart's le Nozze di Figaro. It's
> presented by 'the only' Australian Opera Studio.
uhuh...
>If you want to listen and see some future international opera stars, u
> can start it from here. Verdi's Requiem is not really a
> requiem; its an opera :P.
And who told you that? Geez.... No its not.
Alternatively, check out www.waopera.asn.au - 'the only' Western Australian Opera Company...uhuh.... Bellini's opera "Norma" is coming up at the end of October. There's also a whole pile of opera's coming up next year, which officially haven't been announced yet, but they're all listed in the WASO brochure.
There you go.
>
> heya blake, this end of november, 27,29 &1st; in majesty's
> theatre there's going to be Mozart's le Nozze di Figaro. It's
> presented by 'the only' Australian Opera Studio.
uhuh...
>If you want to listen and see some future international opera stars, u
> can start it from here. Verdi's Requiem is not really a
> requiem; its an opera :P.
And who told you that? Geez.... No its not.
Alternatively, check out www.waopera.asn.au - 'the only' Western Australian Opera Company...uhuh.... Bellini's opera "Norma" is coming up at the end of October. There's also a whole pile of opera's coming up next year, which officially haven't been announced yet, but they're all listed in the WASO brochure.
There you go.
Walter PlingeWed, 6 Oct 2004, 12:48 pm
Re: any opera?
god, can't u be more sarcastic. I say Verdi's requiem is an opera because musically its not written like a requiem. As you know Verdi's requiem is acussed for being more operatic than being a archetypal requiem. I'm telling this in the sense of music not what it really is. Now tell me, is mikado an opera or a musical? it was an opera yet its more known as musical nowadays; why? it has dialogues; thats kinda what I meant about Verdi's Requiem for being an Opera instead of a requiem. And sorry but i dont really like that rude way of replying. ITs fine if you have an ego of a soprano or a spoiled tenor but at least you have respect and duh! verdi's requiem is a requiem and i know its a requiem thats why i call it as an opera. Geez i thought people who have experience in these stuff understand this joke but well; guess u dont.
And the reason i say 'the only' australian opera studio is that there is no institution in australia that professionally train 4 singers every year by top world class staff for FREE and they will have to work their arse of for two years. And who offers such place ever in australia. And again; please cut off the sarcasm and ego.
And the reason i say 'the only' australian opera studio is that there is no institution in australia that professionally train 4 singers every year by top world class staff for FREE and they will have to work their arse of for two years. And who offers such place ever in australia. And again; please cut off the sarcasm and ego.
crgwllmsWed, 6 Oct 2004, 02:16 pm
Re: any opera?
The answer to the above question is yes, it's all here on this website....soap opera..!
crg
[%sig%]
Walter PlingeThu, 7 Oct 2004, 11:08 am
Re: any opera?
Ben17 wrote:
>
> god, can't u be more sarcastic.
Watch me. :-)
> I say Verdi's requiem is an
> opera because musically its not written like a requiem.
What is it written like? A piano sonata?
> As you know Verdi's requiem is acussed for being more operatic
> than being a archetypal requiem. I'm telling this in the
> sense of music not what it really is.
That makes it so much clearer, thank you.
> Now tell me, is mikado
> an opera or a musical? it was an opera yet its more known as
> musical nowadays; why? it has dialogues;
Well actually it is an operetta. And the only reason why its confused with being a musical is because some people are plebs. The Magic Flute (a singspiel) is an opera that has dialogue. Does that make it a musical too? Therefore Verdi's Requiem, Mozart's Requiem, Faure's Requiem, Andrew Lloyd Webber's Requiem, etc are just that - requiem, a mass for the dead. Musically or dramatically, it is still written as a mass.
> And sorry but i dont really like that rude way of
> replying. ITs fine if you have an ego of a soprano or a
> spoiled tenor but at least you have respect and duh! verdi's
> requiem is a requiem and i know its a requiem thats why i
> call it as an opera. Geez i thought people who have
> experience in these stuff understand this joke but well;
> guess u dont.
Whatever. I don't want to be "acussed" of anything. hehe
>
> god, can't u be more sarcastic.
Watch me. :-)
> I say Verdi's requiem is an
> opera because musically its not written like a requiem.
What is it written like? A piano sonata?
> As you know Verdi's requiem is acussed for being more operatic
> than being a archetypal requiem. I'm telling this in the
> sense of music not what it really is.
That makes it so much clearer, thank you.
> Now tell me, is mikado
> an opera or a musical? it was an opera yet its more known as
> musical nowadays; why? it has dialogues;
Well actually it is an operetta. And the only reason why its confused with being a musical is because some people are plebs. The Magic Flute (a singspiel) is an opera that has dialogue. Does that make it a musical too? Therefore Verdi's Requiem, Mozart's Requiem, Faure's Requiem, Andrew Lloyd Webber's Requiem, etc are just that - requiem, a mass for the dead. Musically or dramatically, it is still written as a mass.
> And sorry but i dont really like that rude way of
> replying. ITs fine if you have an ego of a soprano or a
> spoiled tenor but at least you have respect and duh! verdi's
> requiem is a requiem and i know its a requiem thats why i
> call it as an opera. Geez i thought people who have
> experience in these stuff understand this joke but well;
> guess u dont.
Whatever. I don't want to be "acussed" of anything. hehe
Walter PlingeThu, 7 Oct 2004, 04:59 pm
Re: any opera?
[Paul slaps on his theoretical wellies and wades into the debateÂ…]
Ben17 wrote:
“I say Verdi's requiem is an opera because musically its not written like a requiem.”
“As you know Verdi's requiem is acussed [sic] for being more operatic than being a [sic] archetypal requiem. I'm telling this in the sense of music not what it really is.”
An opera is a staged piece of music drama, with sets, costumes, a (typically outlandish) plot, etc.
A requiem, any requiem, is a piece of music set to the Latin Requiem Mass.
VerdiÂ’s Requiem may be written with a style of music and singing that is more suited to an opera house or concert hall than a Roman Catholic cathedral, but it is still, undeniably, a Requiem.
Ben17 wrote:
“Now tell me, is mikado an opera or a musical? it was an opera yet its more known as musical nowadays; why? it has dialogues;”
[“…it has dialogues;”?? I never noticed any nuns!! – sorry, very obscure opera joke :-)]
Simon wrote:
“Well actually it is an operetta. And the only reason why its confused with being a musical is because some people are plebs.”
So, what is the difference between an opera and a musical, and for that matter, exactly what is an operetta.
Is it the inclusion of dialogue?
There is dialogue in “Carmen”, “The Magic Flute” and “Der Freischutz”, but these are all widley considered operas.
There is no dialogue in “Les Miserables”, “Evita” or “Passion”, and yet these are widely considered musicals.
“Porgy and Bess” and “The Consul” premiered on Broadway, yet they are considered operas, and Baz Luhrmann’s production of “La Boheme” has also been running on Broadway, as has Matthew Bourne’s acclaimed production of “Swan Lake” (the one with the male swans)
Operetta is described as a 19th century style of light opera, and yet later twentieth century works like “Candide” and “A Little Night Music” are widely considered operettas not musicals.
You cannot even say this composer writes this type while another composer writes the other type.
Leonard Bernstein, for example, wrote “On the Town” and “Wonderful Town” (Musicals); “Candide” (Operetta) and “Trouble in Tahiti” (Opera), as well as symphonies, masses and popular songs…
And the Gershwin’s wrote, amongst many other musicals, “Porgy and Bess” which is now considered an opera.
The Australian Opera has, “Sweeney Todd” in its repertoire. In fact ALL of the professional productions of “Sweeney Todd” EVER performed in Australia have been done by Opera Companies!!!
And of course, while Kurt Weill’s “The Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny” and “The Seven Deadly Sins” may be considered operas…
Where, oh where, do you classify his “The Threepenny Opera”?
This seems to me to be the classic work that totally defies categorisation. It can be an opera or a musical or an operetta or a cabaret or a vaudeville or whatever you choose to do with it. And yet the intrinsic work stays the same!
So what is the point of my ramblingsÂ…
Before the Australian Opera premiered their production of “Sweeney Todd”, Sondheim was interviewed and one of the questions asked him was what he considered to be the difference between opera and musical.
In his reply he went on to illustrate how he had attended the New York City Opera’s opening night of “Sweeney Todd”, and how he was bemused to hear actual shock in the audience at the plot twist. Here it was, only about ten years after the very popular Broadway production had closed, and here were people who were seasoned opera goers WHO HAD NO IDEA OF THE STORY, even though it had been playing just down the road for years.
He came to the conclusion that there is really only ONE difference between a musical and an opera.
An Opera is a piece of musical drama performed by highly trained Opera Singers in an Opera House usually without amplification.
A Musical is a piece of musical drama performed by less highly trained but no less talented Music Theatre singers in a Theatre usually with amplification.
It is not the WORK that defines whether something is an opera or a musical, but the PERFORMANCE!!!
Ben17 wrote:
“ITs fine if you have an ego of a soprano or a spoiled tenor”
How many Sopranos does it take to change a light bulb?
One, she stands their with the bulb in her hand while the rest of the world revolves around her.
What is the difference between a soprano and a pit bull terrier?
Jewellry!
Thank you for listeningÂ…
Paul Treasure
PS: Come see “Fiddler on the Roof” at Roleystone – tickets selling fast!
Ring Bobby on 9397 5730 – More information on the What’s On pages for November and December.
Ben17 wrote:
“I say Verdi's requiem is an opera because musically its not written like a requiem.”
“As you know Verdi's requiem is acussed [sic] for being more operatic than being a [sic] archetypal requiem. I'm telling this in the sense of music not what it really is.”
An opera is a staged piece of music drama, with sets, costumes, a (typically outlandish) plot, etc.
A requiem, any requiem, is a piece of music set to the Latin Requiem Mass.
VerdiÂ’s Requiem may be written with a style of music and singing that is more suited to an opera house or concert hall than a Roman Catholic cathedral, but it is still, undeniably, a Requiem.
Ben17 wrote:
“Now tell me, is mikado an opera or a musical? it was an opera yet its more known as musical nowadays; why? it has dialogues;”
[“…it has dialogues;”?? I never noticed any nuns!! – sorry, very obscure opera joke :-)]
Simon wrote:
“Well actually it is an operetta. And the only reason why its confused with being a musical is because some people are plebs.”
So, what is the difference between an opera and a musical, and for that matter, exactly what is an operetta.
Is it the inclusion of dialogue?
There is dialogue in “Carmen”, “The Magic Flute” and “Der Freischutz”, but these are all widley considered operas.
There is no dialogue in “Les Miserables”, “Evita” or “Passion”, and yet these are widely considered musicals.
“Porgy and Bess” and “The Consul” premiered on Broadway, yet they are considered operas, and Baz Luhrmann’s production of “La Boheme” has also been running on Broadway, as has Matthew Bourne’s acclaimed production of “Swan Lake” (the one with the male swans)
Operetta is described as a 19th century style of light opera, and yet later twentieth century works like “Candide” and “A Little Night Music” are widely considered operettas not musicals.
You cannot even say this composer writes this type while another composer writes the other type.
Leonard Bernstein, for example, wrote “On the Town” and “Wonderful Town” (Musicals); “Candide” (Operetta) and “Trouble in Tahiti” (Opera), as well as symphonies, masses and popular songs…
And the Gershwin’s wrote, amongst many other musicals, “Porgy and Bess” which is now considered an opera.
The Australian Opera has, “Sweeney Todd” in its repertoire. In fact ALL of the professional productions of “Sweeney Todd” EVER performed in Australia have been done by Opera Companies!!!
And of course, while Kurt Weill’s “The Rise and Fall of the City of Mahagonny” and “The Seven Deadly Sins” may be considered operas…
Where, oh where, do you classify his “The Threepenny Opera”?
This seems to me to be the classic work that totally defies categorisation. It can be an opera or a musical or an operetta or a cabaret or a vaudeville or whatever you choose to do with it. And yet the intrinsic work stays the same!
So what is the point of my ramblingsÂ…
Before the Australian Opera premiered their production of “Sweeney Todd”, Sondheim was interviewed and one of the questions asked him was what he considered to be the difference between opera and musical.
In his reply he went on to illustrate how he had attended the New York City Opera’s opening night of “Sweeney Todd”, and how he was bemused to hear actual shock in the audience at the plot twist. Here it was, only about ten years after the very popular Broadway production had closed, and here were people who were seasoned opera goers WHO HAD NO IDEA OF THE STORY, even though it had been playing just down the road for years.
He came to the conclusion that there is really only ONE difference between a musical and an opera.
An Opera is a piece of musical drama performed by highly trained Opera Singers in an Opera House usually without amplification.
A Musical is a piece of musical drama performed by less highly trained but no less talented Music Theatre singers in a Theatre usually with amplification.
It is not the WORK that defines whether something is an opera or a musical, but the PERFORMANCE!!!
Ben17 wrote:
“ITs fine if you have an ego of a soprano or a spoiled tenor”
How many Sopranos does it take to change a light bulb?
One, she stands their with the bulb in her hand while the rest of the world revolves around her.
What is the difference between a soprano and a pit bull terrier?
Jewellry!
Thank you for listeningÂ…
Paul Treasure
PS: Come see “Fiddler on the Roof” at Roleystone – tickets selling fast!
Ring Bobby on 9397 5730 – More information on the What’s On pages for November and December.
Walter PlingeThu, 7 Oct 2004, 05:38 pm
Re: any opera?
whats the difference between a tenor and a chainsaw?
U can always stop a chainsaw.
When i mention verdi's 'requiem' as an opera; am i not 'obvious enough'? geez.
And well im not going to argue a lot. To find a fault of others is easy but to find own fault is hard; hence i appologise and regret that i have intention of helping someone to find great events happening in perth.
Since the end of renaissance; masses and requiems are not really used for liturgical purpose; thats why i think its more operatic. Obviously early church music never allows instruments like brass, timpanis and many other strings. Why do people do requiem in concert halls while there is no one dying? hence requiem or mass of the dead lose its purpose. Hence we cant call it a mere requiem; requiems that arent performed for its original purpose cant be seen as requiems; but a concert; or for a great operatic composer like verdi, his requiem should be seen as semi operatic or even oratorio because requiem arent supposed to be composed that way; requiem is like britney spears top of the chart music. Just because things follow the structure of requiem, requiem aeternam... dies iraes... offertorie..sanctus..libera me.. etc doesnt mean that one is a requiem. real requiems and real masses died along with the birth of protestantism.
U can always stop a chainsaw.
When i mention verdi's 'requiem' as an opera; am i not 'obvious enough'? geez.
And well im not going to argue a lot. To find a fault of others is easy but to find own fault is hard; hence i appologise and regret that i have intention of helping someone to find great events happening in perth.
Since the end of renaissance; masses and requiems are not really used for liturgical purpose; thats why i think its more operatic. Obviously early church music never allows instruments like brass, timpanis and many other strings. Why do people do requiem in concert halls while there is no one dying? hence requiem or mass of the dead lose its purpose. Hence we cant call it a mere requiem; requiems that arent performed for its original purpose cant be seen as requiems; but a concert; or for a great operatic composer like verdi, his requiem should be seen as semi operatic or even oratorio because requiem arent supposed to be composed that way; requiem is like britney spears top of the chart music. Just because things follow the structure of requiem, requiem aeternam... dies iraes... offertorie..sanctus..libera me.. etc doesnt mean that one is a requiem. real requiems and real masses died along with the birth of protestantism.
Walter PlingeFri, 8 Oct 2004, 08:34 am
Re: any opera?
Ben17 wrote:
> Since the end of renaissance; masses and requiems are not
> really used for liturgical purpose; thats why i think its
> more operatic.
> Just
> because things follow the structure of requiem, requiem
> aeternam... dies iraes... offertorie..sanctus..libera me..
> etc doesnt mean that one is a requiem. real requiems and real
> masses died along with the birth of protestantism.
While we're on the subject:
WASO are doing Britten's Sinfonia da requiem this weekend.
A requiem without singers?
:-)
> Since the end of renaissance; masses and requiems are not
> really used for liturgical purpose; thats why i think its
> more operatic.
> Just
> because things follow the structure of requiem, requiem
> aeternam... dies iraes... offertorie..sanctus..libera me..
> etc doesnt mean that one is a requiem. real requiems and real
> masses died along with the birth of protestantism.
While we're on the subject:
WASO are doing Britten's Sinfonia da requiem this weekend.
A requiem without singers?
:-)
JessSat, 9 Oct 2004, 10:52 pm
Re: any opera?
Craig, am I allowed to say "touch down!!!!"? Or is that kind of term banned on this site?
Blake, check out www.waso.com.au for all the latest there. I'd like to make an aside comment that, although it wasn't opera, the WASO rocked up a concert & a half last night with their new "hand-picked" Steinway. Beautiful music, including Schubert's Unfinished Symphony, and intense conducting by guest maestro Sachio Fujioka.
Cut it out boys, play nice. We've had enough of that stuff from the give-me-acting-work-I'm-14 crew.
Jess
Blake, check out www.waso.com.au for all the latest there. I'd like to make an aside comment that, although it wasn't opera, the WASO rocked up a concert & a half last night with their new "hand-picked" Steinway. Beautiful music, including Schubert's Unfinished Symphony, and intense conducting by guest maestro Sachio Fujioka.
Cut it out boys, play nice. We've had enough of that stuff from the give-me-acting-work-I'm-14 crew.
Jess
JessSat, 9 Oct 2004, 11:04 pm
Re: any opera?
Paul - it was great! I'm in the WASO chorus, but the way those instruments were singing last night - ain't no vocalists necessary!
And that dude on piano for the Mozart Piano Concerto (apologies to dude if he reads this [I highly doubt it], I can't remember his name & didn't get a program), he was amazing. The speed & lightness of his touch on the keys. All I can say is WOW!!
This was a most intriguing debate. I'm assuming from Ben's comments that he is a bass, unless he doesn't mind having a laugh at himself. I'm masquerading as a Sop 2 & I do understand dynamics.
J
And that dude on piano for the Mozart Piano Concerto (apologies to dude if he reads this [I highly doubt it], I can't remember his name & didn't get a program), he was amazing. The speed & lightness of his touch on the keys. All I can say is WOW!!
This was a most intriguing debate. I'm assuming from Ben's comments that he is a bass, unless he doesn't mind having a laugh at himself. I'm masquerading as a Sop 2 & I do understand dynamics.
J
Walter PlingeTue, 12 Oct 2004, 10:22 am
Re: any opera?
whoa...
who knew that opera was so controversial...
peace and love people...
peace and love...
Blake
Thou villainous bat-fowling nut-hook!
you just gota love that thing!
who knew that opera was so controversial...
peace and love people...
peace and love...
Blake
Thou villainous bat-fowling nut-hook!
you just gota love that thing!