Censorship?!
Wed, 5 Sept 2001, 02:11 amGambler29 posts in thread
Censorship?!
Wed, 5 Sept 2001, 02:11 amPersonally I am 110% against censorship. If people don't want to see nudity, hear swearing etc then they should just not attend the shows/watch the tv programs/buy the music that contains the stuff they don't want to see/hear. Classifications are fine but why should we be forced to accept the censorship that is forced into our faces[rhetorical question]? Society should grow up and stop sheltering everybody. any comments?...
PS. Dont' think I'm an arse for saying these things if you are for censorship, just tell me your opinions please.
Jason
PS. Dont' think I'm an arse for saying these things if you are for censorship, just tell me your opinions please.
Jason
RE: Censorship?!
Sat, 8 Sept 2001, 01:52 pm Leah Maher wrote:
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>At the risk of really inflaming this debate Troy, it's very easy to >stand in the position of a white, male, able bodied, middle class >( and a little bit cute) human being and say if I can't protect >myself, no-one else should in case one day they chose to stop.
I wasn't saying that I don't want people to protect me, if someone wants to help me out I won't turn it down, but I don't think it's my god/fate/alienswhomadeusalloutofmonkeys-given right to have them do so. If someone doesn't help me, I might not be impressed, but I don't feel that they're total bastards for allowing me to be victimised. Why should they care? I'm just a smelly little boy with delusions of grandeur, and should sort out my own business.
>What do you need to be protected from?
Axe-murderers, rapists, snigsmen, cut-throats, snafflers, dodgy mobile phone deals, sociopaths, little boys with plastic swords, anyone bigger than me, and most importantly myself.
>I can't walk down a dark street without having real and >justifiable fear.
Agreed.
>Do you think you are in my position?
No way! Exhibit A: (Me) 19 year old, (for a few more days at least) male, scrawny, not quite smart enough to go to University, barely paying his bills by working at supermarkets while desperately trying to make up for not having been involved in theatre since childhood.
Exhibit B: (Leah) 20-something, female, shapely, intelligent, articulate, apparently going along quite well financially after a fair few years working on a law degree, already with quite a good reputation around the WA Independant Theatre Circuit.
I have very little in common with you, although I'm probably not that much more physically imposing than you if I am at all.
>I certainly don't think I can speak for anyone who is poor, >Aboriginal etc, becuase I'm not and I don't live with their >disadvantage.
So you see being you as a disadvantage? That's a rather defeatist attitude to start with. I get the feeling that perhaps you're referring to your gender? I can't understand that, I have never seen women as inferior, if anything I am vaguely in awe of them (which is almost as bad). I don't assume that someone is better than me based on their sex, but based on whatever evidence I can gather on them as a person. I know quite a few men whom I consider to be better writers than myself, and I know a lot of women who I consider to be better writers than myself. To me the common thread seems to be that they are writers.
>Not everyone is as privillaged as you. For some people >that "third party" protection is the only thing standing between >them and the mouth of hell.
Then they are somewhat privilidged. At the risk of making myself look incredibly stupid, I invite you to have a look at an article I wrote quite some time ago on the "rights" topic at:
http://l-space.tripod.com/rotm3.html
which may give you a little more insight into what I mean by "rights" and "privilidges".
I think I just ran out of room...
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>At the risk of really inflaming this debate Troy, it's very easy to >stand in the position of a white, male, able bodied, middle class >( and a little bit cute) human being and say if I can't protect >myself, no-one else should in case one day they chose to stop.
I wasn't saying that I don't want people to protect me, if someone wants to help me out I won't turn it down, but I don't think it's my god/fate/alienswhomadeusalloutofmonkeys-given right to have them do so. If someone doesn't help me, I might not be impressed, but I don't feel that they're total bastards for allowing me to be victimised. Why should they care? I'm just a smelly little boy with delusions of grandeur, and should sort out my own business.
>What do you need to be protected from?
Axe-murderers, rapists, snigsmen, cut-throats, snafflers, dodgy mobile phone deals, sociopaths, little boys with plastic swords, anyone bigger than me, and most importantly myself.
>I can't walk down a dark street without having real and >justifiable fear.
Agreed.
>Do you think you are in my position?
No way! Exhibit A: (Me) 19 year old, (for a few more days at least) male, scrawny, not quite smart enough to go to University, barely paying his bills by working at supermarkets while desperately trying to make up for not having been involved in theatre since childhood.
Exhibit B: (Leah) 20-something, female, shapely, intelligent, articulate, apparently going along quite well financially after a fair few years working on a law degree, already with quite a good reputation around the WA Independant Theatre Circuit.
I have very little in common with you, although I'm probably not that much more physically imposing than you if I am at all.
>I certainly don't think I can speak for anyone who is poor, >Aboriginal etc, becuase I'm not and I don't live with their >disadvantage.
So you see being you as a disadvantage? That's a rather defeatist attitude to start with. I get the feeling that perhaps you're referring to your gender? I can't understand that, I have never seen women as inferior, if anything I am vaguely in awe of them (which is almost as bad). I don't assume that someone is better than me based on their sex, but based on whatever evidence I can gather on them as a person. I know quite a few men whom I consider to be better writers than myself, and I know a lot of women who I consider to be better writers than myself. To me the common thread seems to be that they are writers.
>Not everyone is as privillaged as you. For some people >that "third party" protection is the only thing standing between >them and the mouth of hell.
Then they are somewhat privilidged. At the risk of making myself look incredibly stupid, I invite you to have a look at an article I wrote quite some time ago on the "rights" topic at:
http://l-space.tripod.com/rotm3.html
which may give you a little more insight into what I mean by "rights" and "privilidges".
I think I just ran out of room...
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