Critical Behaviour

Tue, 11 Mar 2008, 03:38 pm

Melz11 posts in thread

This was in the recent Playlovers newsletter - too true !!

Critical behaviour
It is a sad day when one of the several no gooders out there amongst our theatrical world decide to get on Theatre Australia and other networks to just bad mouth and say negative things about a particular theatre, person, or show, etc.

Whilst everyone is still entitled to their opinion, what can possibly be gained by the negative, nasty and rude remarks left by the ‘unverified’... ????

Is it the no-gooders role to attempt to shut down a thriving voluntary thespian network?

What sort of an example is this critical behaviour showing our youth except possibly teaching them another meaning to ‘exit stage left’.

Community theatre has a duty to encourage, respect, guide and provide support and constructive criticism with an outcome for growth.

If you know someone that likes to behave in this unruly fashion, then please, encourage them to stop this anti thespian behaviour and show some respect.

After all – it’s all for the love!!

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MelzTue, 11 Mar 2008, 03:38 pm

This was in the recent Playlovers newsletter - too true !!

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NaTue, 11 Mar 2008, 04:09 pm

Who, or what thread, is

Who, or what thread, is this referring to? Mini-monster puppets customised just for you! at Puppets in Melbourne

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MelzTue, 11 Mar 2008, 04:36 pm

general

It would be a general message... Melz

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NaTue, 11 Mar 2008, 04:55 pm

My point is: how can you

My point is: how can anyone possibly agree or disagree without knowing the context of the post/person the above is referring to? There are any number of reasons to how a controversial topic gets started, from trolls to misunderstood but well-meaning reviewers, to just plain rude people, to people who post under a pseudonym in order to defend themselves... Maybe these above people are one and the same to others, but I see clear differences in motivations - and the context is just as important. It's like quoting half a politician's answer to a question. Without hearing the other half, how can you know exactly what they meant? And this is how most of tabloid journalism is written... Also, how can we best help reduce the above, without knowing what exactly they are referring to? "If you know someone that likes to behave in this unruly fashion, then please, encourage them to stop this anti thespian behaviour and show some respect." How do we encourage them to stop? Do we moderate their posts? Do we ban them? Do we ridicule them - which would quite obviously only serve to ensure more disrespectful posts are made... Etc. Each case should be treated individually, not as a generalisation. Mini-monster puppets customised just for you! at Puppets in Melbourne

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Walter PlingeTue, 11 Mar 2008, 06:11 pm

Is this based on my postings

Firstly, I am not hiding under a false name. Ripper Hargreves is my name, I was born in Queensland in 1967 and moved to Perth in 82 with my Family. I have actively been involved in the Arts for a number of years. I have visited most clubs. My intentions to my postings were merely an opinon on the ITA, people who I know extremely well, I have always found their circle a very clicky system and it saddens me. It is a very bias organisation. This is my opinion. To my earlier posts I was merely being comical and a lot of the references were tounge and cheek.. especially - pausing for effect... It was humour, obviously not every Australians cup of tea... I was trying to point out that there are people who are trying to be too serious and intellegent on this site.. Chill out... it's meant to be fun is it not.? The Ripper

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Tim ProsserWed, 12 Mar 2008, 12:45 am

Critical behaviour

I know exactly what Playlovers and Melz are talking about here, because I've been witnessing it in several topics of discussion on this forum for some time now. How sad it is that my very first posting into the forum should be amid such disgraceful displays of vindictive and petulant mud-slinging. I log onto this site because I like to read interesting views expressed by fellow actors and theatre lovers. But what do I find instead, for example, in discussion about this year's Finley Awards? Endless sniping by pathetic, insignificant individuals hiding behind pseudonyms and publicly exhibiting their inadequacy by being unable to spell and sensibly construct sentences, and having no understanding of grammar or the correct use of punctuation. I make special mention of the illiteracy displayed by these nonentities because it reinforces the impression of low intelligence that their bile-laden invective engenders. I have now attended two Finley Award ceremonies and thoroughly enjoyed both of them. I've made many friends through my involvement in community theatre and revel in the opportunity that such an event offers to catch up with some of them. I'm both satisfyingly entertained and deeply moved by witnessing performers 'giving it their all' in the featured production excerpts, and I'm both grateful and humbled by the efforts made by the show's organisers to make the night the best it can possibly be. I am not aware of any cliques (or, indeed, 'clicks') that are populated by an elitist few, self-indulgently patting each others' backs. I see no evidence of such behaviour in the people I encounter from one production to another and I certainly have seen no evidence of it in the two Finley Awards ceremonies that I've attended. In my view, all recipients of awards are richly deserving of such and I convey my heartfelt congratulations to all of them. I shall be attending the next Finley Awards and the next ones after that for many years to come. A small group of dedicated individuals expend an enormous amount of effort for this one night of the year which is dedicated to the camaraderie and good fellowship that we all enjoy so much by being involved in community theatre, and they deserve not only our support, but also our gratitude. In closing, I blow a huge raspberry to all of those miserable souls who complained, accused, threw tantrums and generally denigrated the unselfish efforts of good people in the lead-up to and aftermath of this year's Finleys. And, indeed, to all of those who hide behind their silly little aliases and criticise for the sake of criticism itself, apparently unable to find anything nice to say. May you all forever remain pathetic, insignificant nonentities. As Jimmy Durante would say, I expect THAT to do no good, but there it is . . . and you can all see my name unashamedly displayed.

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NaWed, 12 Mar 2008, 01:41 am

Has anyone actually

Has anyone actually considered that the more we discuss the problems of 'bad contributors' the more they'll post? Stop the debate and just ignore them or moderate them - they'll go away. Mini-monster puppets customised just for you! at Puppets in Melbourne

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Walter PlingeWed, 12 Mar 2008, 01:45 am

Have you ever thought that

Have you ever thought that these low intelligent posters maybe dyslexic and your reinforcement to their bile-laden invective engenders is ignorant. I do apologise if I can not spell and my sentences and grammar are somewhat under par.. There are many people on this site that string together words that pretty much 99.9% of the public do not use. Lets be honest, a conversation with you and people like you over a candlelit dinner must be an evening's delight for most people. What planet are you from Tim? I didn't realise that I was being marked. I don't really care what people think. I was merely pointing out that there is a 'Click' system in Perth's community theatre and most of you out there know there is. Most of the observers that have read through the threads agree that there is a 'Click' in the community. It's embarrassing. It's been going on for years. It needs to stop. If it doesn't stop Tim, the ITA and Finleys won't be running in 3 years time. You and others are pushing clubs and their members away. I have endless conversations with club members and they have voiced their disappointment with the ITA and their policies. Let's get it back to how it was 10 years ago, when it was fun. The fun has gone. Not just for me but for many members I have spoken to. Again I apologise for my grammar 'But, I gota talk the way I feel' Noel Coward.. Thank you for your words Mr Stoppard.. Much love A bile-laden useless thicko Ripper Hargreves

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KimberleyWed, 12 Mar 2008, 08:00 am

Dear Mr Ripper

If you really believe in this so called "click", why didn't you run for the committee of the ITA? I can assure you that you would have been very welcome. In fact half of the committee are new this year. To me that suggests an open door. Two of the new committee I had never met before. That again, would suggest we are open to new people. My phone number and email are readily available elsewhere on the site and on ITA literature. Have you considered calling me to discuss this? You weren't at the ITA AGM, but did you watch The Green Room last night? If you had you would have seen that one of the aims this year is to target inclusiveness. I think my words were "to make clubs and people on the periphery of the ITA feel more welcome and involved." This remark was made several weeks before your attack on this site. Mr Ripper, help us. You are like a child at a party who refuses to play, but accuses everyone else of leaving him out. How can we help you? What can we do for you? We are providing an open forum for you. Tell us how to help you. Kimberley Shaw (new) ITA President

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Walter PlingeWed, 12 Mar 2008, 09:36 am

It weren't fun 10 years

It weren't fun 10 years ago, trust me. Clique was far worse then.

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Tim ProsserWed, 12 Mar 2008, 07:16 pm

Mr Hargreves . . .

Mr Hargreves, I don't recall ever having met you and I certainly do not recall you and I ever enjoying a first name acquaintance. Until such time as we might know each other better, you may address me as Mr Prosser. I assure you that I am from the same planet as the one you inhabit and that I've been here for much longer than you have. You have much to learn, young sir.

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