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Pre-Casting ... Set In Concrete?

Mon, 16 Apr 2007, 11:00 pm
A Muse6 posts in thread

Casting Etiquette … and no, it’s not a new production, though come to think of written in the mould of “Last Tango in Little Grimley,” it could be very good. I digress.

May I pose a scenario for general discussion.

Let us imagine an audition is announced for a play, in which one would kill to win the lead role. You research the play, attend the reading and the subsequent audition, only to discover the director has somewhat obviously already cast the role, not only that, when you express an interest in another role, the director says, “I have somebody in mind, have you considered this part? It’s really good,” (the person in mind attended neither the reading, nor the audition).

Now, I have no problems with pre-casting and, I hasten to add, no problems with not being considered suitable for a particular role.  BUT I think it incumbent upon a director to inform potential actors that a particular role is not available. I find it disconcertingly unethical and have mentally noted not to audition at that particular theatre again.

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A MuseMon, 16 Apr 2007, 11:00 pm

Casting Etiquette … and no, it’s not a new production, though come to think of written in the mould of “Last Tango in Little Grimley,” it could be very good. I digress.

May I pose a scenario for general discussion.

Let us imagine an audition is announced for a play, in which one would kill to win the lead role. You research the play, attend the reading and the subsequent audition, only to discover the director has somewhat obviously already cast the role, not only that, when you express an interest in another role, the director says, “I have somebody in mind, have you considered this part? It’s really good,” (the person in mind attended neither the reading, nor the audition).

Now, I have no problems with pre-casting and, I hasten to add, no problems with not being considered suitable for a particular role.  BUT I think it incumbent upon a director to inform potential actors that a particular role is not available. I find it disconcertingly unethical and have mentally noted not to audition at that particular theatre again.

LogosTue, 17 Apr 2007, 08:09 am

When I have my Director's

When I have my Director's hat on there will be times that I pre cast. If so then it is included in all material about the audition that a certain role or roles is/are not available. If I am "considering" someone for a role then they must attend the readthrough or audition. If I pre cast the actor must attend any read throughs and I would also prefer they be at the audition so that they can read with people they may be performing with. This is fair to all auditionees. I do often pre cast a central role. If I have a vision of the play (and as a director I should) this often includes the physical type and the particular skills I will need in the central role. I have heard it said that a good final production relies as much on casting as anything else, if this is true then surely pre casting must be a valid tool. Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. www.tonymoore.id.au
LabrugTue, 17 Apr 2007, 08:36 am

Pre Casting has its place.

Sometimes shows are created around the actor(s) and thank god for that. If it weren't for these passionate people getting out there and getting their own thing started then we would have much less going on.

On the same front, Pre-casting does also serve a useful function for the director or company driven show. Having a well-known personality or two can be a big draw card for any show.

Precasting can also avoir the rather daunting task of having to track down bit parts because not enough people showed up at the audition.

Precasting out of personal favour and without adequate aknowledgement is simply unethical. I personally am against pre-casting where-ever possible. I like to see new talent get a chance to get exposure and experience. Of course you want to ensure your leads have the ability to carry the show and the temptation to ask Jo Blogs who you know would be able to do it is very real.

I side with Logos. Pre-casting as a rule is generally unfair yet it serves a purpose. Precasting without proper aknowledgement (ie telling other hopefuls of the circumstances) is quite unethical. At least let them know the truth.

I also agree with Logos on the idea of having precast actors availling themselves at auditions and read-throughs. A show is a team effort and I (as a director) would find it very difficult wot work with a divided cast in any way.

I have worked on a production (as an actor) where the male lead was a professional precast performer. Not only was he treated differently, I also felt the director (whom I had worked with previously) treated the rest with less favour then he might have otherwise done. This is an example of pre-casting favouritism and I believe it can lead to a poorly constructed team and low moral. I like to believe that all on stage should be treated equally. Even the walk-ons. While the leads may carry to show, the walk-ons can add a rainbow of colours, even for just a second.

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Paul TreasureThu, 19 Apr 2007, 07:42 pm

Pre-casting pros and cons

Hmm... pre-casting, difficult question. At the outset let me stress that there is a BIG difference between pre-casting and what I will call "stand-by casting". I don't think that I have ever directed a play where I didn't already have in mind people for the majority of the roles. This is what I call "stand-by casting. Sometimes all of these people got the roles I was thinking of them for, sometimes none of them did. But I was secure in the knowledge that should no one have turned up to the audition I could still have cast it. I have only actually pre-cast once, and in that situation I was totally up front about it and didn't hold an audition that role, and even then it was for a minor role... but the thought of the sight of a particular actor in a particular costume was just too much to resist :-) I honestly think that if you have precast a role you have an ethical duty to not waste other people's time. And as long as you ARE up front about it I see nothing wrong with precasting. On the other hand... I think the worst situation going into an audition is knowing that YOU are the favourite for a role. Whereas everyone else at that audition has nothing to lose and only has to be their best... you DO have something to lose, and not only do you have to be your best, but you have to demonstrate that you ARE the best. A couple of times now have been told "We want you for this role, but we are going to audition it anyway just to make sure you are who we want" and not all of those times have I GOT the role either (damn American composers writing tenor parts for roles that by all rights should go to baritones!!!) Luckily I have also been offered a couple of roles in plays that weren't auditioned: but that was more for a specific dynamic. On a couple of occasions I have gone into auditions as a director with the favourite for the lead knowing they were the favourite... Then towards the end of the audition turning to them and saying either: they really need to earn this lead, or, they don't even need to audition noone else came close. Precasting - not necessarily a bad thing Not being honest about precasting - much harder to justify!
James McDonaldThu, 19 Apr 2007, 07:59 pm

Well, I hope someone lets

Well, I hope someone lets the Director in question know! Jim
LabrugFri, 20 Apr 2007, 02:40 pm

Best Advice

Best piece of advice Re Pre-casting I have ever had (and only recently) is;

"Sure, Pre-cast if you like. Just don't tell ANYONE."

Absit invidia

Jeff Watkins
Perth based Actor/Performer
who can also sing and dance
Fight/Sword Choreographer
Virgin Director

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