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Mon, 13 Oct 2008, 11:50 am
Norma26 posts in thread

This is a plea which may well sound inconsequential or not worth bothering about and may well bring down the wrath of God on my head but..........

 

To everyone who designs/makes-up/is responsible for Posters

 

Please. Please PLEASE include the year of production in your designs.

Now this may sound obvious/trite/not worth bothering about BUT I do assure you that in time to come when some poor soul is trying to make sense of the archives (which are usually in a mess when some  brave person decides to get them in some kind of order) it saves much frustration and hair-pulling out.

And this is where I get myself into more trouble- the design is not as important as the basic information-WHAT-WHERE-WHEN-HOW MUCH-WHERE DO I GET TICKETS

 

OK off my soap-box

Thread (26 posts)

NormaMon, 13 Oct 2008, 11:50 am

This is a plea which may well sound inconsequential or not worth bothering about and may well bring down the wrath of God on my head but..........

 

To everyone who designs/makes-up/is responsible for Posters

 

Please. Please PLEASE include the year of production in your designs.

Now this may sound obvious/trite/not worth bothering about BUT I do assure you that in time to come when some poor soul is trying to make sense of the archives (which are usually in a mess when some  brave person decides to get them in some kind of order) it saves much frustration and hair-pulling out.

And this is where I get myself into more trouble- the design is not as important as the basic information-WHAT-WHERE-WHEN-HOW MUCH-WHERE DO I GET TICKETS

 

OK off my soap-box

LabrugMon, 13 Oct 2008, 11:54 am

Feel for you

Norma, I have designed a few posters in my time and I feel the same as you do, however, I have been frequently told by the theatre company for whom the design is for that they DO NOT WANT the year displayed. As to the logic of this, I cannot fathom.

My point is that it would seem that many theatres request posters this way, but I share your frustration all the same.

Absit invidia (and DFT :nono:)

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Walter PlingeMon, 13 Oct 2008, 12:03 pm

Posters are usually

Posters are usually designed the only a few months before the production, therefore its obvious the year of the show is the year we're currently in - why put redundant information on a poster, when space is at a premium? Look at newspaper listings for upcoming shows... they will say Oct, Nov etc but won't say "2008" because we're currently in 2008. But if they're referring to a show next year, they'll say "next year" or "2009". Think about it... how many movie posters put the year on? Get on your soapbox all you want Norma, it ain't gonna happen
LabrugMon, 13 Oct 2008, 12:09 pm

Missing the point

I think the point is that many of these posters are archived or displayed in the foyers. For example, I was at the Melville theatre just this Friday gone and found a poster of a show I had done there several years back. This poster DID have the year on it which was useful.

I have often seen foyer displays such as this where years are not provided and I find myself thinking "When did they put that on?" and I am sure I am not the only one who does this.

Also for archival purposes, being able to tell the difference between two posters for the same play done in different years, would it not be handy to have the year included?

Having the year adds to the long-term usefulness of the poster.

Also, most if not all movie posters will have release dates on them, if only in the classic Roman Numeral standard. It's a part of the standard blurb that Official Movie posters use. You know, the bit about produced by, starring, etc.

Absit invidia (and DFT :nono:)

Jeff Watkins

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jeffhansenMon, 13 Oct 2008, 12:14 pm

I know it is irrelevant

I know it is irrelevant information on the current poster. If you wander around most theatres, you will see posters of previous productions. Mostly, the year is not on the poster. While this may not be relevant, somtimes these posters are the only record of what was produced, and when. I guess Norma is involved in the process of trying to make sense of a bunch of posters, and sort them into some sort of chronological order. www.meltheco.org.au
MelzMon, 13 Oct 2008, 12:25 pm

Year a must !!

I can relate to this: As a rule - the year must go on... ultimately it is still part of when ! :-) Melz
NormaMon, 13 Oct 2008, 12:31 pm

A plea or a gripe

Thanks for the support from most of you. "Poster Designer" has entirely missed the point- as with most trolls.

Perhaps he/she has never tried getting a mass of information into some sort of chronological order!!

 

NaMon, 13 Oct 2008, 01:08 pm

There's an obvious

There's an obvious alternative... when taking down posters or archiving them, why not stamp the back with the year? Free halloween shadow puppet pattern at Puppets in Melbourne
NormaMon, 13 Oct 2008, 02:13 pm

There's an obvious.....

sorry Na, you miss the point- or rather one of them! See Labrug's comment. Many local companies display their posters in the foyers and seeing the year makes it lot easier to relate to events. Believe me!!
NaMon, 13 Oct 2008, 02:22 pm

I didn't miss the point. I

I didn't miss the point. I did read Labrug's response and I agree with the issue... just trying to add another idea to the mix. :cool: There's still nothing wrong with stamping the poster before displaying them, or adding a small placard next to the poster/display noting the year and other interesting details. It just means a tiny bit more work before displaying/archiving them. Free halloween shadow puppet pattern at Puppets in Melbourne
NormaMon, 13 Oct 2008, 02:41 pm

I didn't miss the point....

Sounds good in theory, but as one who has spent many many months in trying to make some sense of order out of 40 years past  of a club's posters with almost no other information to go on, it would have made my life a lot easier to have had the year's dates on them!

Usually at the end of a season everything is shoved into an enveolpe and left somewhere"for sorting out later'' and that generally means years later!!

crgwllmsMon, 13 Oct 2008, 11:10 pm

Bill Posters is innocent!

Norma said: >> Thanks for the support from most of you. "Poster Designer" has entirely >> missed the point- as with most trolls. Sorry Norma, I think that's an entirely unfair slur, as I believe "Poster Designer" answered your question fairly accurately, although not with the answer you'd perhaps prefer, and I don't consider that trolling. The answer s/he gave seems to be quite a logical reason that the year is usually left off. A poster's primary function is to have a short prominent life, prior to a particular event. That's not to say it's the 'be-all and end-all' reason, and your request is still a reasonable one also....one which I support. We have almost 20 years of posters at Barking Gecko (no doubt most clubs would have a longer history and fuller archives than that), and they serve more of an ongoing purpose than simply their primary one, prior to the season. They document the history of the company and demonstrate its prestige. I think it's a shame we can't easily determine the year...virtually none of ours (or any other professional theatres) have any indication, apart from some Festival-related ones. But we probably all have the same desire to archive. In some venues that like to keep old posters up on display, it becomes confusing to distinguish between which shows are upcoming and which have been and gone. Sometimes we have remounts of particular productions, and it would be good to distinguish between different productions of the same play. It seems pretty simple to include the year in the design, even in a small token date stamp somewhere. Surely that wouldn't add anything to the overall cost. Cheers, Craig ~<8>-/====\---------
NormaTue, 14 Oct 2008, 10:12 am

Bill Posters is innocent

Maybe I'm jusy in an 'oversensitive mood'!! but here is where I disagree with Poster Designer - and Craig.

'"A poster's primary function is to have a short prominent life, prior to a particular event." no it isn't, at least not with us!

Sure that is its prime and obvious function but as outlined by several other people as well as myself,  it serves to remind people of dates and is of tremendous assistance in later years. Try sorting out 40 years from a bundle of posters and almost nothing else except people's memories- not always accurate.

 

I didn't think I'd stir up such a response, but it's been interesting.

I will now gracefully retire from the subject and promise never to mention it on air again

(That'll be the day do I hear a voice or two??)

Walter PlingeTue, 14 Oct 2008, 10:21 am

After reading the point

After reading the point about the movie year in Roman numerals for movie posters, why don't we adopt a standard right here for theatre posters? Let's all stick the year in small point size in the bottom right-hand corner? Just like newspapers use stars, or the words "Metro" and "State" in the 5mm gutter on the back page or the spine so you know which edition it is? Problem solved and the small point size doesn't mess with the overall design or detract from what's usually there.
KimberleyTue, 14 Oct 2008, 11:29 am

In the meantime

Quick straw poll - Looking at the posters currently on my noticeboard. Well done Old Mill's Gaslight, Cinderella on Ice, Page of Wand's John and Jen, Stirling's Sing On, Melville's A Chorus line, Garrick's Amigos and Playlovers' bare, all of which announce 2008 on poster or flyer. (I tend to pin up the smallest version) There are about 15 other shows up there (most but not all pro) - all coming up soon (I've just cleaned the board) with no year on the poster. We seem to be just passing overall with the community shows. Keep working at it Norma. Progress is being made.
Walter PlingeTue, 14 Oct 2008, 11:30 am

Agreed!

I try to put the year onto any poster I design - when I remember, of course. It's very helpful, as you point out, some time down the line. GRADS' A Laughing Matter, for example, has 24-25 Oct, 29 Oct-1 Nov and 5-8 Nov 2008 on the poster. (Cue plug to come and see A Laughing Matter - it's one of the best scripts of any play I've performed in for years, and this is its Australian premiere, I think.)
Freddie BadgeryTue, 14 Oct 2008, 12:04 pm

Or another idea...

What if the producing company were to create a short run of posters displaying the production year (thus saving them for posterity), whilst also producing the usual mass batch of posters designed to get across the immediately vital info? It's a more fiddly idea, granted, but it might just work... freddie the rocking jedi badger
Stephen W HawkingTue, 14 Oct 2008, 12:05 pm

contradictory

You just said you don't agree that a poster has a primary function, as defined by Craig, but then you said "Sure that is its prime and obvious function". Craig just said he agreed with you. You're arguing for the sake of arguing, and not listening to what they have said. Why does everything have to be an either/or argument here? There are such situations as two pieces of information being correct.
Walter PlingeTue, 14 Oct 2008, 12:26 pm

It would also cost more at

It would also cost more at the printers...
TaureanWed, 15 Oct 2008, 05:50 pm

Good Idea!

Agreed "Poster Designer" , that would be a very simple (and simplistic) solution to the problem ... for future archivist's ... but unfortunately it will not solve the problems of the here and now. As for Norma's primary problem..... short of dredging through the Box Office archives and "rights Applications" (which should have been held in safe keeping) to determine which poster matched which production in which year, I'm afraid I cannot help.

However, I second the motion raised by "Poster Designer" (oh darn!!... does this constitute troll fodder? :O) to set a precedent and place a 10 pt year in the bottom R/H corner, either in Roman numerals or in English (?), of all poster designs to make our future librarians/archivist's work just that little bit easier... I know I'll certainly be pushing for it with any show's I have a hand in in future!

"Be nice to your Tech's - or they'll turn out the lights and go home!"

jeffhansenWed, 15 Oct 2008, 06:10 pm

"Arabic" is the word you

"Arabic" is the word you were searching for to describe the numbering system we use. Strangely enough, the Arabs refer to it as the Indian system. www.meltheco.org.au
NormaThu, 16 Oct 2008, 10:34 am

Good Idea

I 'promised' that I wouldn't say another word....... but.... just have to comment on Taureans comment above!!

What, for the love of Mike is the inherent problem with simply putting "2008 after "November 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9"

But then, I'm just a simple soul who likes things clear.

JoeMcThu, 16 Oct 2008, 12:48 pm

This is a good point Norma,

This is a good point Norma, since your topic came up, I checked a few posters, flyers & even old programmes.
Sure enough no year dates were on them anywhere?
As an aside I also thought back on posters I have seen being valued on the Antique Road Shows. Unless they had a copyright symbol & the date year in Roman numerals. They had difficulties in dating them, only referring to about or around a few years in an approximate era or whatever.
Your right we are slack & I don't understand why we don't just put the year - it is only usually two numbers after all!
LogosThu, 16 Oct 2008, 01:06 pm

I have to say that this

I have to say that this discussion has decided me to ensure that the year is going to be on all my posters from now on. And my programs. Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. www.tonymoore.id.au
NormaThu, 16 Oct 2008, 01:30 pm

I have to say this

Well, if I have made just ONE convert it's been worthwhile!!

Thanks LOGOS!

Tari-XalyrSat, 18 Oct 2008, 06:33 pm

Agree

I'm with Logos on this one. I'm determined to put years with my dates on posters and programs from now on. Thanks Na, for some relevant discussion prompting. ~ Tari The Writer is a child forever listening at the keyhole of the adult world.
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