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Beauty and the Beast

Sun, 7 Sept 2008, 02:55 pm
John Grim39 posts in thread
I'm sure I'm not on my lonesome when I wish Playlovers the greatest of success with their forthcoming production of Beauty and the Beast. To see one of our own putting on a show at the Regal is fantastic! I know they're not the first to do so, but it's up to all of us involved in the local theatre community to offer our support to our colleagues by telling the whole of Perth about this must see and support event. PS: And before I'm asked the obvious...yes, I shall certainly be going, and before you ask Walter...No, I'm not involved in any way with this production. cheers Johnny Grim A lad in sane productions

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John GrimSun, 7 Sept 2008, 02:55 pm
I'm sure I'm not on my lonesome when I wish Playlovers the greatest of success with their forthcoming production of Beauty and the Beast. To see one of our own putting on a show at the Regal is fantastic! I know they're not the first to do so, but it's up to all of us involved in the local theatre community to offer our support to our colleagues by telling the whole of Perth about this must see and support event. PS: And before I'm asked the obvious...yes, I shall certainly be going, and before you ask Walter...No, I'm not involved in any way with this production. cheers Johnny Grim A lad in sane productions
jeffhansenSun, 7 Sept 2008, 05:46 pm

Hear hear John. It scares

Hear hear John. It scares me when I think of the huge costs involved in mounting such a show at a venue like the Regal. It could quite easily break a club if it all went awry. I know a few people in the cast, and wish them all the best. Whether I'll ante up the $60 admission fee is a whole other story...... www.meltheco.org.au
Walter PlingeSun, 7 Sept 2008, 05:59 pm

I can't say I'm willing to

I can't say I'm willing to spend $60 on a ticket when PLs have publicly announced they've spent over $600,000 on the production! Community Theatre??? I think not! S Keene
JoeMcSun, 7 Sept 2008, 07:29 pm

$600 000? I think there

$600 000? I think there maybe one to many zeros, being reported there?
$60 000 would be more of a realistic estimated production costs.
With a guesstimate of a possible $600 grand,  being best box office gross return, from the 23 performances.
Walter PlingeSun, 7 Sept 2008, 08:21 pm

It wasn't a typo

It wasn't a typo, if you don't believe me.... perhaps the link below to an article that appeared in THE WEST AUSTRALIAN will convince you. http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=182&ContentID=95303
jeffhansenSun, 7 Sept 2008, 10:21 pm

The Regal seats 1074.16

The Regal seats 1074. 16 nights ( there are probably matinees too, but lets go with 16) *edit* The show runs for 23 performances $60 per ticket. Full houses every performance equates to just a nick over a million dollars. Of course, full houses every night doesn't happen, and neither do houses full of full price tickets. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the figure of $600,000 quoted was somewhere in the ballpark. I wouldn't for a moment think that the West might round up the number to make the story read better. :P I have a vague memory of the costs involved in this show being discussed when Mandurah put it on. If you care, go find the thread. This brings me back to my original thoughts earlier in this thread, that the numbers involved scare me, as I know what sort of budget my club runs on. And....before the bitching starts, I have no problem with a local community group charging this sort of price to put on a show like this. Good luck to Playlovers, I hope it all comes off. Hackett Hall could do with a new electricity supply..... www.meltheco.org.au
JoeMcSun, 7 Sept 2008, 11:44 pm

Sk - my post only mentioned

Sk - my post only mentioned as being reported, as you stated it was announced publicly. So it was not a question of not believing you!
I just worked on the old, rule of the black thumb nail. Worked on an average of possibly 3/4 houses, considering the concession/ratio. Roughly off the top of my head, coming up close to the $600 000 mark. As a gross box office guesstimating - hence my post!

 

Walter PlingeMon, 8 Sept 2008, 09:23 am

Apologies gaafa, didn't

Apologies gaafa, didn't mean to offend, it's just as a member of the community theatre circle, this show's spending has just outraged me some-what. And I've believe The West did not round the figure up, but in fact they rounded it down.... I could be wrong but that has been the word around town. Apologies again.
calMon, 8 Sept 2008, 09:38 am

bums on seats.

Looking at the figures above I reckon they would have to have an audience attendance figure of at least 50% for every show to break even. I hope this is an achieved target. Good luck to you all for the show. Cal
JoeMcMon, 8 Sept 2008, 10:44 am

Actually they only need to

Actually they only need to flog 1000 x $50 to cover their costs. I would imagine thinking more about the BOS's ratio & the shows demographics pull. I think they will be looking at 3 concession tickets, for each full price seat flogged.
So I'd estimate the average ticket price would be $33:75. Thus as I suggested the production costs on each available seat, would be just around $2 each. So they have the potential of bringing in $31:75 for each of the 24702 available seats [$784:288 approx].
So from my mind it would be not that much of a gamble, in fact nearly every ameatre group show, risks far greater % loss/production. Also they spend more per available seat than PL will be.
The Entertainment racket is purely a numbers game, of putting as many BOS's on seats in the least amount of performances & time. So in that regard PL could afford to reap the benefits of spending a further $50 000 at least on a media advertising campaign.
JoeMcMon, 8 Sept 2008, 11:33 am

You couldn't offend an ol"

You couldn't offend an ol" fart like me SK! 
Even with a lump of 4 b' 2 - I'm as thick as a brick & twice as dense!
Walter PlingeMon, 8 Sept 2008, 11:43 am

Gaffa Guessing

Instead of guessing Gaffa! or Skeene being OUTRAGED!!why don't you write down TRUE FACTS AND FIGURES, leave a group of people alone who have worked hard for the COMMUNITY to bring this wonderful show! to the people of Perth and are volunteers giving of their time and talents. They only wanted Perth to have an opportunity to see this Disney production, as Perth always gets left out from the big productions which make it interstate. We also wanted to support The Save The Children Charity. Why take away all the good intentions and twist everything into Spiteful or hurtful insults. Instead of trying to bring this company down, buy a ticket and support your community theatre! Or stay away and keep your mouth shut!
calMon, 8 Sept 2008, 12:18 pm

frustrated said "Instead of

frustrated said "Instead of guessing Gaffa! or Skeene being OUTRAGED!!why don't you write down TRUE FACTS AND FIGURES, leave a group of people alone who have worked hard for the COMMUNITY to bring this wonderful show! to the people of Perth and are volunteers giving of their time and talents. They only wanted Perth to have an opportunity to see this Disney production, as Perth always gets left out from the big productions which make it interstate. We also wanted to support The Save The Children Charity. Why take away all the good intentions and twist everything into Spiteful or hurtful insults. Instead of trying to bring this company down, buy a ticket and support your community theatre! Or stay away and keep your mouth shut!"

Frustrated, I think you need to re read the comments from Gaffa, and allow Skeene to have his/her opinion. Some people believe that paying over $30 for a community theatre event is too extreme. I, on the other hand would pay over $30 depending on the standard of the production. I guess what Skeene is trying to say that $600K for a community theatre production borders on the costs to mount a small professional show, and in most cities this amount would never be spent. I don't believe anyone who has posted has intended to be spiteful or hurtful.

Hope all goes well with the show 'frustrated', and that you slay em in the aisles.

Cal

JoeMcMon, 8 Sept 2008, 02:13 pm

Ah! Wee Anon'mouse [a.k.a.

Ah wee Anon'mouse [a.k.a. Frustrated] I agree I should support comeatre more! To that end 'Ah'll haad maa gob!
But first may I say;-
Fortunately I can only managed to attend ameatres with a complimentary ticket now 'n then. Or via an  Exit door, some one has conveniently left open & I'm able  to sneak in. {[Because my employer does not pay me enough to spend on theatre tickets.] Unfortunately I have some 'BOCS free vouchers, which I got for Xmas. But the 'REG' uses another ticket agency.}
however to all the cast & the production team.  

A big TOI TOI CHOOKAS!

{ if you get the chance, ask Susan Vincent what this means? As She was with the 'Old Firm' [JCW'S Theatres]. 
I hope all enjoy the venture, onto  the GREEN SWARD, at the REG!
Jim CMon, 8 Sept 2008, 08:30 pm

IS THE BEAST A BEAUTY?

Whether or not figures stated are correct or not lets look at the positives of this production. firstly we can assume that with there experience of staging shows at the Regal, Playlovers have done their homework and are now "putting up", they are putting on a show that is well loved and enjoyable to watch, a show that the big houses have failed to bring to Perth. Next look at the opportunities for our local actors and crew to work a big stage in front of a large audience. just working F.O.H or backstage in a show like this is a great buzz. It is a poor industry out there in community theatre land where we are all chasing the dollar to just maintain our local stages. lets all get behind Playlovers and wish them every success in this production, even to the extent of promoting the show in our own little world. And no I am not a member ot playlovers but have enjoyed a few shows there from time to time including the fund raising quiz night to assist the ITA. Jaguar
John GrimMon, 8 Sept 2008, 09:05 pm

Community theatre

Interesting that in this thread, Playlovers have been accused of being as far removed from community theatre as one could possibly get, yet they have stated publicly (via the West Australian newspaper) that they intend donating any proceeds to charity. One might say they're going out on a limb to help the community. Irony, sucha wonderful word. PS: I applaud the members of Playlovers for having the dignity to ignore some of the comments made here. Go you good things! Johnny Grim
Robert WhyteTue, 9 Sept 2008, 06:57 am

Yes it must be true

Yes it must be true if it is reported in the West Australian! (choke gag vomit) The sum total of the coffers of all the main community theatres in WA wouldn't have $600 000, so if the alleged amount to put this show on is that much money, I would like to know where a non-profit organisation like Playlovers got the funds from.(and for the functionally illiterate anonymous posters out there,that was me being sarky - I couldn't give two knobs of goat shit where the money comes from - I really don't think it cost that much...that is my point!!) As for the gross profit, well I did my sums and it is within the realms of possibility, but only if they sell every single seat for the season at the full adult price, but quite frankly I think its a HUGE stretch for them to do that also, even Rent last year with Yellow Glass wasn't a sell out. I am glad Playlovers are putting this show on, I also admire the fact they are donating the profits to charity I wish Playlovers every success with this venture, and yes, I will be going to see it. Cheers All Robert
Walter PlingeThu, 11 Sept 2008, 10:40 am

robert why do you care

robert why do you care where they get the funds from? also, what relevence is it to you? watch it or not its your choice.
Walter PlingeThu, 11 Sept 2008, 11:30 am

1st Night Cancelled

So what happened with the Grand opening night? Was cancelled - why? B
DazzaBThu, 11 Sept 2008, 12:34 pm

Opening Night

My understanding is that opening night was cancelled as certain aspects were not to the standard that everyone wanted and the company didn't want to give a sub-par show for a paying audience. A shame for all those involved, but I feel they made a good decision in the end. CHOOKAS to the cast and crew for their opening tonight :) DazzaB "Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep." Scott Adams
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 08:47 am

Saw Opening Night

Well I must admit... I was pretty upset that on Wednesday at 4pm I was told by a friend that opening night was cancelled! I think more angry though that I was not contacted by the Regal/Ticketek about the cancellation. I was told through the grapevine! So I exchanged my ticket for Thursday night instead. Well WHAT a performance!! I thought that $60 was expensive for a ticket but I can totally see why they set the costs so high! The costumes and sets were stunning! and the acting/singing/dancing was equally of high standard. My only criticism is that there were a few issues with the sound and some of the scene changes were a little slow(but once you see the sheer size of the sets you can see why). Well Done Playlovers! Another great show! To be honest I don't give a fat rats what you do with your profits you totally jusified your $60 to me. For those that have spent lengthy time investigating/bitching and slagging off this organisation in this forum for charging what they have... Get over it! I would LOVE Louis Vuitton matching travel luggage but I am not about to post blogs slagging them off for their high prices. I have booked again to take my sister and her kids. I can't wait!
jeffhansenFri, 12 Sept 2008, 09:17 am

Bitching?

Having just re-read this thread, There is very little bitching/slagging off to be seen. Contributors have, for the most part, wished Playlovers all the best, and wondered where a community theatre gets the up-front funds to mount a show such as this. My little club couldn't contemplate such a thing. We just don't have the funds. It's really none of my business, or anyone elses, where the money comes from, but we are such inquisitive creatures. If you REALLY want to know, I suggest you pop down to Hackett Hall at the next AGM, having paid your membership, and then you can take a look at the P&L for the year. And while you're there, put up your hand to serve on committee. Comm Theatre needs all the helping hands it can get. *edit* OK, since i wrote this, there have been some new posts added above, that are getting a bit snippy. If you don't want to pay $60 Walter, don't go. Why do you think it's your role to try and dissuade others from going. www.meltheco.org.au
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 12:51 pm

Ok - you ARE aware that

Ok - you ARE aware that these are the sets and costumes from the PROFESSIONAL production from the 1994 Melbourne Production? Sorry - still doesn't justify that much for an amateur show. Period.
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 01:44 pm

la minge... your faux name says it all!

yes I did hear that these costumes/sets came from Melbourne, now why on earth would that make any difference to my opinion on the play? Nothing! The last sentence of your comment makes no sense... OF COURSE COSTUMES/SETS JUSTIFIES THE PRICE OF A TICKET!! PERIOD!
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 01:54 pm

It was in 1995

It was in 1995
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 04:30 pm

I keep forgetting people

I keep forgetting people like you know how to run a theatre company! I say it again, AMATEUR THEATRE SHOULD NOT HAVE SUCH A HIGH TICKET PRICE - REGARDLESS OF _A_N_Y_ FACTOR! Period.
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 05:35 pm

Actually, smart-arse, it

Actually, smart-arse, it was 1994.
Walter PlingeFri, 12 Sept 2008, 05:55 pm

Walter la Minge

Get a life and stop splitting hairs! Ok so you don't want to pay $60 for a ticket to Beauty and the Beast... Go somewhere else... I'm sure the cast/crew and other audience members are not going to lose sleep that a seat at the theatre does not have your arse on it!
NaFri, 12 Sept 2008, 10:40 pm

You mean the show and

You mean the show and company should offer cheap ass tickets and go into debt just to please you? Finger puppet pattern for under $4 at Puppets in Melbourne
MooryFri, 12 Sept 2008, 11:36 pm

Loved It

Guess What Guess What I saw Beauty and the Beast tonight being Friday and the tickets only cost me $25 yes 25 not 60...So thats was good. The show was great another quality amateur production, All Shook Up LAst Week and Beauty and the Beast this week. GO PERTH. BB was a lovely show that kept me entertained for the msot part although therewas a stage that i felt it was dragging in act two. To be real picky some transitions were poor, but that would be really bad to bag the show for that reason. Go and see it and i am sure you will have fun as i did. The female lead tonight was outstanding and the candles and clock entertained the whole time they were on stage. Yummy show, Saturday night i am going to Subi Arts Centre for another amatuer show and i dont care about the cost. I am all about supporting and being entertained.
Robert WhyteSat, 13 Sept 2008, 04:42 am

Who made you God to tell me

Who made you God to tell me what I do and don't care about or what relevance it is to me? Hmmm?
Walter PlingeSat, 13 Sept 2008, 11:36 am

I left at interval last

I left at interval last night. Was very poor. I would have rather have seen the other Belle. Absolutely suffering pace. And the whole show is very 'awkward'. Although better than 'all shit up' of which took the cake for worst show ive ever seen. That is all.
AndrewGSat, 13 Sept 2008, 03:43 pm

Wow ming! Youve managed to

Wow ming! Youve managed to do it again! Useless feedback that's only there to tarnish someone else! Why did you leave at interval? What made this show so 'awkward' to watch? What about giving the playlovers some advice on what they could have done differently to make it more enjoyable?
TaureanSun, 14 Sept 2008, 12:30 pm

Erm... excuse me.......

Please read the following link to the Whitehorse Musical Theatre production...(which is, I am guessing, the "Melbourne" show that you are referring to) http://www.whitehorsemusical.com.au/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=86&Itemid=5

The original production opened on BROADWAY in 1994.... opening an amateur show in Melbourne in the same year or even the year after might have been a great achievement, but not likely..

Sorry to pop bubbles.

"Be nice to your Tech's - or they'll turn out the lights and go home!"

JoeMcSun, 14 Sept 2008, 03:06 pm

"Yu'ah knock'd'm down t'ol Kent road!

I'm attempting to remember what year it was I was in Melbourne & my mate Ratty [Mike] worked on the Pro B&B there at the same time. But I reckon it would have been late '95 & Bobby is right!
Well if nothing else, from my 'ol China plate Bobby V's post. This forum has proved the old adage of PJ Barnum, that there is no such thing as bad publicity. { His other one attributed to him, obviously could not be levelled at the PL 'B&B'}.
From all accounts I have heard the production company, cast & crew. Have killed them in the aisles - G'donya  Susan Vincent, you can certainly add you Direction & performance, to your collection - not counting your other Tea Pot collection at home. {Although that's not a bad idea, having a stylised tea pot produced, as a Directors show gift?]
An out standing Toi Toi Chookas & ovation for the whole company. Along with the Board of management of Play lovers.
Maybe your next venture could be something like 'Barnum'?   
Shane PodolskiTue, 16 Sept 2008, 09:10 am

Sets and Costumes

Walter La Minge. These are not the sets and costumes from the 1994 professional production Of Beauty And The Beast but the sets from the 2006 Whitehorse Musical Theatre Production.
Walter PlingeTue, 16 Sept 2008, 10:00 am

And did Whitehorse BUILD

And did Whitehorse BUILD the sets or were they from the 1994 Melbourne Production?
Shane PodolskiThu, 18 Sept 2008, 12:03 pm

Whitehorse designed and

Whitehorse designed and built the sets. Completely different to the 1994/95 version.
kitty_catThu, 2 Oct 2008, 07:03 pm

My cuz

My cousin plays chip the little tea cup but only on some nights Atara someone plays chip other nights btw my cousins name is sam tye
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