new dance collective - Adelaide

LOTUS DANCE COLLECTIVE Touching down in Feb. 2008 Creating new Dance works with a unique edge To be creative is to breathe, it is to live to the fullest extent we possibly can… Dance is a culture… The idea of a dance ‘school’ brings such restrictive memories! We started dancing at the age of three… ever since we can remember we have loved it! However the choreography was always the same… so we started making up our own dances… they were always unique.. To the flavours of contemporary / hip hop/ funk styles.. We want to create new works that push the boundaries and peoples minds.. We have won choreographic competitions and have also choreographed at previous dance schools, usually with no recognition. We want to be able to create our own unique works with other dancers, put on a performance and sit back and be proud of what we have achieved. I don’t think we can find that at any dance school in Adelaide! If you would like to come on this creative journey with us please contact us for further information… lets push the boundaries of sound and movement. www.myspace.com/lotus_dance_collective

Wow sounds like a great idea. There are many in Adelaide who have danced since they were 3 and everyone knows each other after doing the good old comp circuit. Its a shame there is no where for Adelaide ppl to progress but this sounds good. Are you all ex dancers from TI and BJ's. Didnt one of BJ's ex students form a performance group or is that you

no that is not me... but yeah hoping that this will be a little different from the norm :) sao any interest is welcome!

Who are the teachers...... and what area/suburb are the classes. Are the performances in public venues to the public or just a concert style to family and friends etc

This is a family affair.. myself and my sister are the choreographers and we are basing it in the Adelaide city area. We will do performances.. the earlyt stages will be a concert, where any one can attend then maybe progress to more then one performance during the year depending on interest

I would quite like to meet up with you and have a talk. Possible medium to long term collaboration. Check out my web site and contact me if you are interested. Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing. www.tonymoore.id.au

this has me intrigued I have been going through all the sisters who have danced in comps are you any of these Tamara and Nikki Abdilla Sarah Sophie and Emma Kirtland Rhiannon and Jessica Davis Tia and Maria Di Biase Nadia and Zoe Komazec Bianca and Julia Battastella Kylie Tammy Danielle Pedler Shannon Megan and Clancy Sullivan Candice and Jasmine Golding

sorry none of that crew ...

Maybe I missed someone out. If you did dance comps and choreographic comps we must know you.

Gee musicalsfan thats amazing there are so many sister acts in little old Adelaide. Cant understand why a new dance collective wont say who the choreographers are. Why promote your collective and not state who you are... Personally I dont care cos im not in your state but if you go on here to promote a business you could at least let ppl know a bit more background ....to me it sounds suss

Is it suss just because member: musicalsfan does not know us? Interesting and very naive to think it is a suss business adventure, for what purpose??. My first post simply states I am searching for a sense of interest in our dance adventure….. we are yet to begin and I don’t think we need conflicting replies to hurt our vision, just because someone does know know us. It never matters what our names or what school we have attended it is about what we will do next.. this is why we chose to keep it on the down low for now as we are a new and very separate to the past comps, schools etc.

LOL I always thought it was a business venture not adventure I cracked up lol lol lol Yeh promoting choreographers does make a big difference when you are starting up a business. Your business is only as good as the ppl who run it. I also think it does matter what dance school you come. You stated you came from a dance school and taught for dance schools then what if it was a substandard school. What dance education do you have. Anyone can start a dance school doesnt mean they are good

Ha ha that got me thinking I remember a dance school years ago in adelaide called Sunshine dancers OMG lol lol lol Then there is also one called leannes dinamite.

I agree it definitely doesn’t mean we are any good….. we are only what others think? Everyone has their opinion, I would not want people involved who only come because of a name.. we want passion not status! You think creating a business is a laughing matter and not at all adventurous? I beg to differ, which I am guessing many will because as much as we will not be about money we do have to register and make it a formal ‘business’ it’s the smart thing to do right? Within these sort of forums each of you will take everything posted in the vain you wish.. Whether it be a negative or positive vibe …... this is not my problem

Did you watch 'so you think you can dance'. Many auditionees were dance teachers who had a passion and the judges were horrified they were teaching. I hope you have the proper credentials that cover your dance collective- accreditation for safe dance practices etc. please keep that in mind. Make sure you have adequate public liability insurance Maybe its only SA that doesnt but they are introducing policies that new dance schools need some sort of qualification to teach. It is really important. I dont think all the posts are in vain, I just think people are wary about what they get themselves into. It DOES matter how good a teacher is and how qualified they are in order to provide safe teaching practices. I think people have genuine concerns I just dont think how you have handled this is very professionally.

in what way? i am very aware of insurance and safe dance practices.. not to worry about that. simply because i am not known brings negativity which i thought was not warrented that is all. I am interested in choreographing my owns works with other passionate dancers who want to perform.. also we have all bases coverd in regards to dancer saftey and also enjoyment and acknowledgement. there are no exams or grading.. just dancing and performing works which we have created and if other dancers are interested and wish to come along to something that is important to us then thats great.. again we believe we have what it takes to work with fellow dancers and that can simply be judged by the quality and the procedures we put in place. I always encourage open opinions and questions do not get me wrong... this is our vision and we hope it works for us as anyone in this industry would

Jon means when companies and groups post on this forum they give the full details of their intentions not half hearted advertisements. It does appear you something to hide by not giving full details. Whether anyone knows you or not is not the point. Usually dance/ theatre groups and companies list all details. Professionally the more details you give the better. You are not doing market research here you are stating you are commencing a collective in Feb 2008. To gain interest it is best to give full details of your collective to entice prospective students. Your comments on the subject sound immature. I agree with Jon, not professional.

I'm not into dance, but have been following the conversation of this thread. I think it's quite unfair to state that the less details given the lower the professionalism. I've on a number of occasions posted about a project that I was unsure of - there's nothing wrong with stating that you hope to create a collective, without giving more details. Wouldn't the details depend on a number of factors, like how many people are interested? There's nothing wrong with putting out some feelers first, before you waste your time on planning that may be inappropriate to the group. My two cents - and now I'll completely butt out. Sticky Apple Legs www.freewebs.com/stickyapplelegs Puppets in Melbourne www.thepromptcopy.com/pip My puppets www.collectzing.com/collection/137/

I disagree. The dance collective post suggests they are touching down in Feb 2008, to me that means commencing their collective. They also state 'contact us for further details'. Some people may be interested but for some reason havent got the time to contact etc If this were to be a viable business adventure to encourage students to come along, I would personally display all details to marketing the business correctly. There are probably many members who would be interested themselves or spread the word but the post is a bit ambiguous. If they are touching down in February 2008 they need to promote efficiently and effectively now, otherwise prospective interest will go to those other dance schools

Na is very much on the same page here.. touching down in feb 08 is our desire… I have posted for expressions of interest as yes.. this may not work. we just want to see if anyone is on our page before anything else. I am not yet ready for confirmed details.. rehearsal space is not yet confirmed, we have many ‘business’ procedure to undertake before we announce anything more. This is why I have asked people to email me for further info. All I can say is read the first post, if your down with that then great if not then that’s great also. Please do not make people afraid to voice their vision and ask for expressions of interest on this site… the feelers are out there and that’s all I wanted to achieve at this VERY EARLY stage

How I read it- they are not unsure of their project. It is not an expression of interest

I completely agree dancefan.. we are not unsure of our ‘project’ our vision is very clear. 'If you would like to come on this creative journey with us please contact us for further information… lets push the boundaries of sound and movement.'

Jon: "The dance collective post suggests they are touching down in Feb 2008, to me that means commencing their collective." Just because you have a proposed starting date does not mean much. Many of us in the industry prefer knowing about a project's rough timeline/start date before registering interest. Some people may be interested, but find that the time conflicts with something else - and this feedback can and does work back to the organisers, who may then change their plans accordingly. I think the difference in opinion here is that you (Jon) are viewing this more in reference a business plan constructed without outside input and implemented once it's finished, and the Lotus Dance seem to be considering it more as a collaborative effort, from which the members themselves co-operatively decide the direction of the project. Earlier this year, I asked people on this site of what they thought of a new reviewing system - I was hoping to implement it myself, but would ask people to get involved in the running and management of it. Because it's a voluntary thing, as well as something I've never done before, I asked whether there was any interest in such a thing - as well as interest from potential reviewers. I didn't offer up anything more specific than that, simply because I wanted first to judge what kind of response a new reviewing system would receive; second to judge how many people would actually volunteer their time to the service; and third, to have some people to bounce ideas off of. That's why I believe that Lotus Dance was inviting interest: from my impressions, they seemed to me to be creating more of a collaborative environment. I could be wrong of course... But that's up to them to clear up. Anyway, like I said, I'm not a dancer, not into dance, and I'm probably butting in. And no offense to Lotus Dance, but perhaps this isn't viewed so much as a business adventure, but simply as a way to get people involved in dance. Sticky Apple Legs www.freewebs.com/stickyapplelegs Puppets in Melbourne www.thepromptcopy.com/pip My puppets www.collectzing.com/collection/137/

Yes the words 'business adventure' suggests to me it is a business they plan to run. I assume they are not doing this business adventure for nothing. I believe in any business adventure you need a vision and a business plan to develop your business correctly. It was their own statement that it was a business adventure and I am only stating the facts. Its great to have an idea and run it past people but the explanation within the post is defiantly ambiguous. Im concerned that they are only aware of public liability insurance and safe dance practices. I understand they are excited about their adventure and I applaud them for trying to set up something different however before they post, it is important to provide adequate and precise information. Is it a business or just a collective of students performing for the love of dance.

Ok, so you mean that if I wrote: "I'm planning on setting up a business with my friends, and invite others to join me as well as them. We are interested in hearing from people who want to produce new Australian theatre, so we can get started on our first project next year" is wrong? Because I don't actually post more info? Now, in the back of my mind, I might have already made some calculations. I figure maybe 20 or 30 people might email me, of those maybe 10 will follow up and 5 might actually turn up consistently. I have already got a budget in place for the first show; but am not keen on spreading out the information where it's publicly available on the net. When people do email me, I have the opportunity to reply with much more detailed information, as well as attachments (say, a budget or business plan). More than that, my vision for the group is to be a collaborative, with decisions made together, which makes some of the details rather hard to pin down on a business plan... Looking back on the thread, it is unclear whether Lotus is offering a collaborative performance group or teaching. However, I found no post made by them that stated they WOULD be teaching, just that they have taught dance before and would be helping choreograph. This is why I inferred that it would be more of a collaborative group. More importantly, we're presupposing that Lotus Dance hasn't created a fully formed business plan, or chatted to an accountant or lawyer. We're presupposing that perhaps some of the details (like insurance, which obviously can't get quoted without knowing the number of members and number of teachers involved) might not be flexible. Just because they don't have it listed on their post doesn't mean that they haven't considered it. From the thread, I don't know either way. And in our industry, there is more than one way to start a business - not just by following the business plan/budget/sponsorship plan followed by corporate companies. But let me ask you this - if they had NOT used the word "business" in the ad, would you change your opinion of how they presented the idea or think of it as suspicious? ...Now I'm really not going to reply anymore. There is a clear difference of opinion and as they say: never the twain shall meet. Sticky Apple Legs www.freewebs.com/stickyapplelegs Puppets in Melbourne www.thepromptcopy.com/pip My puppets www.collectzing.com/collection/137/

Wow Na are you in on this collective or what...why so protective and defensive. Reading the posts by Lotus I found them very immature. Comments like "I agree it definitely doesn’t mean we are any good….. we are only what others think?" AND '....we do have to register and make it a formal ‘business’ it’s the smart thing to do right? Honestly as a dancer I would definately think twice. Why even register a business, anyone can hire a hall and choreograph dance. Anyone can perform in public without business registration.

I didn't intend to come across defensive. I was just trying to point out that there was a presumption that the group was dodgy, simply because they didn't fully outline their plan here. I agree that there might not be any need for business registration - but again, this depends on your point of view. Generally speaking, if you want to apply for funding or sponsorship, those handing out the money prefer to give it to a group that has been registered. Lotus may want to apply for funding later on, and registration now may save them some hassle. Secondly, the point was not that the group needs business registration, but needs to be aware of safety issues, insurance, etc. Which would all be necessary to do performances. ... I simply felt that there was an over abundance of rolling eyes. I have made more than my fair share of snarky comments on this site, but this time, I personally didn't feel the need to suggest that the concept/group was to be avoided. Usually if I do think something is sus. I post my concerns. Perhaps the radar is broken, perhaps not. Either way, it's not worth losing sleep over. Let's stop bickering now :) Sticky Apple Legs www.freewebs.com/stickyapplelegs Puppets in Melbourne www.thepromptcopy.com/pip My puppets www.collectzing.com/collection/137/