Phantom of the Opera movie

grow up little girl. Phantom of the opera is not really an opera as well. To tell you im in my late teens. Having 'brain' and speaks stuff that make sense does not mean I am old. You know I really want to write so many things that might help abit with your shallow brain and your frozen heart and your deafened ears, but I think this sentence tells everythink I know about you. A voice can be even seen before it is heard; it is from how you react and how you response. Apparently you fail the test. Just know that no matter how many hundred times you sing the music, those music will never be yours. It is only opened for those who have a heart big enough to understand life. A music can become a music only when it is performed by a musician; people who learn the art of language that never lies. With that ignorant approach of yours; never call yourself a singer, or even a musician. Theres no place for people like you in the world of music.

That's interesting idiot

I am a musician, thank you. I compose music on the piano and I sing soprano very well. I already have 2 albums and I have perfomed in the Phantom of the Opera as Christine and other things, yet I am only just about to turn 14. Honestly, I don't give a crap about what you think about me because words don't really let you know the true person I am. Stop trying to be a magician because concluding about someone else is the stupidest thing that someone in their late teens can do!! Man, I care about music and usually when people say I don't or other people don't, they're just talking about themselves with an accusing way towards someone else. I have a life and I like it... I act, sing, draw and dance - I am mature in those senses for my age and just because I am rather outspoken doesn't give you the right to try and write my own biography when you know not a single @!#$ about me... at least in those senses and my hobbies, I am rather mature... and what makes you say I don't call myself a singer because I, my music teacher, friends, family, people who've heard me at concerts say I have a voice beyond my maturaty and I don't mean to brag but just to let you know... Oh yeah, and by the meanings of having a cold heart... Haha... at least I appreciate things unlike you and though I may be a female version of the Phantom, saying that I have a cold heart would only be what you think of my outside - but have you met me and known me inwardly... No! And don't try to act smart and say things to me because I always have a comeback, and, regarding on my outspokeness, I am not afraid of saying things that I want to say... I am a very good actress in those terms because whatever I audition for, I always win a part. Sorry to hear that you are so stupid to be so old yet have a baby's comeback, at least I act MY age! :) Laters...

Btw, it is in my nature to be insanily hyper and mentally crazy - that what gives me character. Too bad you can't have the same :-D Don't take that as an insult... just from what I gathered, love.

even if you can run with one leg i dont really care. Relying on vocal maturity is the most unmusical of a musician and please everyone can call themselves a music writer. THe difference is that whether the music really is a music. HAh, christine at the age of 14, girls at the age of 14 doesnt even know what love really feels how can she sings about love. Thats all nonsense. It is true, probably it is only the music that doesnt impress the hearts that impress you. Even if you perform anything for hundreds and hundreds of time, that doesnt mean you are a musician. I will repeat this: the music will never be yours until youre mature enough to understand the music. Ive seen too much of ignorant narrowminded singers and its just a humiliation for composers to have their music sung by incompetent people.

Charles Hart!aren't they amazing???Past the Point of No Return are amongst my favourite!

Sarah Brightman has an amazing voice, true not an opera one. And she does have power. I have heard sarah brightman a 100 and million times so i can compare her to emma rossum, who does not sound like her!Emma has a husky voice, and Sarah Brightman's is crystal clear (in Phantom please note because she can make it husky).

IT IS NOT REACHING OR HITTING THE NOTE, IT IS HOW U SING IT! i myself can reach the note but i still need more training to sing it like sarah brightman, i'm by far not ready, and neither was emma rossum.

now whether u agree or disagree is up to u like every other opinion :)

Nicola xx

As i said it is not if u hit the note, it is how u hit them!i hit a G some very few times hehe soo...

What i found weird was that in the film they did not show her face!that part i was totally disappointed!It was a peak, a climax, and yet they fail to show the character producing the climax!it was more of an anticlimax!

and u'd be surprised at what mixers can do, so i wouldn't doubt if she didn't reach the note. Her voice sounded as if it was suffering, and yes i believe there was a loack of power. or rather a certain huskiness on her voice which i didn't like.

hehe i like you (not in that sense eheheh)! i do believe however that ardjoena (please are you a man or a woman???im confused :S) anways...i believ that he/she does have a right to say wat u think, (im referring to arjoena) but i do believe u shud do it in the nicest way possible. dont just insult ppl!aftr all i wonder what u can do...

I believe in criticism but it has to be done in a fiar way, otherwise just shut ur mouth to put it bluntly. These are not opera singers true, thought they could have been better yes. may i ask, how come they got the phantom to do it in such a short period of time?did he have to replace someone? iheard rumours of antonio banderas opting for the part although if it was him he realy would have to arrange his accent, not because i dont like it, but because it is not right for the phantom. or else im just biased hehe, but i loved him in evita!)

I sooo agree with what u saud. That was an amazing movie. Ive already seen it 5 times in the theatre because that voice just bewitches me too! Rock on!!Erika Phantomness wrote:
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> HOW DARE YOU EFFING SAY THOSE THINGS ABOUT THE FILM OR THE
> PHANTOM! I think that the Phantom had an amazing voice and
> not to mention that the film was supposed to be a little
> different - sexier if I may add! Christine had a sweet voice
> and Raoul had an alright voice but he would not be top of my
> list. The Phantom just hadn't sung before and after lessons
> and practices, I think he did a superb voice! You probably
> were just concentrating for the bestest and overal, I'd say
> what the director did was beyond brilliance. I can't believe
> you could say such outrageous things about a wonderful film -
> the music was BRILLIANT!!! And to add a bit on, the Phantom
> was supposed to have a seducting voice and that was how
> Christine got bewitched. If he began singing to her in a
> scary holy-@!#$ kind of voice then she would've run away but
> instead (with the voice he has) it made a very good story!!
> That took one breath to say... bye!

I think my problem with the movie is that I was priviledge to see the live stage show when it still starred Marina Prior and Anthony Warlow.
I felt the voice of Christine lacked in power, and presence but then she has a lot to live up to when comparing her to a magnificant opera star like Marina Prior. I agree the voice of the Phantom also lacked.

My 6yr old daughter were memorised by the movie. I could appreciate it for what it was but it was a plae comparison to the live stage performance.

I think my problem with the movie is that I was priviledge to see the live stage show when it still starred Marina Prior and Anthony Warlow.
I felt the voice of Christine lacked in power, and presence but then she has a lot to live up to when comparing her to a magnificant opera star like Marina Prior. I agree the voice of the Phantom also lacked.

My 6yr old daughters were memorised by the movie. I could appreciate it for what it was but it was a pale comparison to the live stage performance.

I beg to differ to the comment on Rossum being ten times better than Brightman. Brightman is not only as someone else mentioned, "crystal clear," her voice is far more experienced and it shows. It is rich and hits every note. Rossum's, although lovely, is obviously not experienced and lacks the richness that Brightman has.

I'm just replying to say how much I really enjoyed this movie. I was slightly dissapointed at the actual voice of the phantom, but I overall I thought his performance was very evocative. I am only seventeen and live in a small town with no theatre, so the chance to revel in a musical masterpiece such as the phantom of the opera, with its dizzying colours and narrative edge was such a treat, even if there were no curtains and the stage itself was my proverbial DVD player.

I was however, dissapointed the most by the actor playing the character of Raoul. Mainly because I found the Phantom himself more attractive and suave. Though that's just a personal opinion, I thought his singing was very light for the role he was portraying.

I really enjoyed the sets and costumes, the masquerade scene in particular. I have to say that I loved this film, for the small quirks it did have as well as the parts that were just right.


*Jo.

WOW!!!

I just read all of the posts and that's all I can say is WOW!!

The Phantom of the Opera is now and always will be my favorite opera, unfortunately I have not seen it live. I have only imagined it through the music.

As for the movie, I loved it! It is the closest I have gotten to seeing the POTO. My assessment:

The music in my opinion is the best part of the whole thing!!!!

The Phantom (gerard) did a stunning job. I loved the ruggedness behind his voice.
Christine (Emma) was fantastic. I loved her voice and she is beautiful.
La Carlotta, well, I don't know what to say, I personally didn't like her. I think it was the italian I thought I heard, it didn't sit well with me.
Rauol was ok. Pretty boy in my opinion and kind of immature in this role.

The special effects and the backgrounds and colors and costumes and such were awesome...pleasing to the eyes.

My favorite part of the movie was the very beginning when they did the transition from the Opera House in ruins to the Opera House in magnificent form with bright colors and extravagant fixtures. That was fantastic.

All in all, like I said, I loved it! I have watched the movie more than I care to admit in the last few days and do not grow tired of hearing it or watching it.

it is not an opera. it is a musical. It is not even near opera a single bit. do not compare works of genius with popular music.

I will compare what feel the need to compare and you have no right telling me not to, and I did not call the MOVIE an opera. It is just that A MOVIE!!!

CassieRK wrote:
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> I will compare what feel the need to compare and you have no
> right telling me not to, and I did not call the MOVIE an
> opera. It is just that A MOVIE!!!

Dear CassieRK

I hate feeding trolls like this, but Opera lovers like myself and Ardjoena (BTW: Hi Ardjoena!) do get a bit narked when people make stupid comments like calling “Phantom” an opera.

3 points:

Point One: Phantom is NOT an opera! There IS a grey area between opera and musical, and there are many great works that fall into that category, from “Sweeney Todd” and “Candide” on one side to “Carmen” and “The Magic Flute” on the other. But “Phantom” is definitely not one of these.

Point Two: a movie can be an opera, just like a movie can be a musical. I would point out classic examples like Zeffirelli’s “La Traviata” or Rosi’s “Carmen”, but you have probably never heard of or seen them…

Point Three: You have a right to your opinion, and you have the right to speak that opinion. HOWEVER if what you say is obviously ignorant or stupid or just plain wrong, you also have the right to have your statements challenged or corrected. No one is stopping you comparing “Phantom” to whatever you want, but if you call it something other than what it is, people ARE going to challenge you.

:-) <<< look the face of someone who cares about others challenging her!!

I don't care if you agree or disagree or like or dislike my opinion. I do not care if you call me or my comments stupid or ignorant! Your opinion means nothing to me!

You can get as narked as you want, I will not feed into you either! I liked the movie and that is that!

Not that it is for me to say but instead of all this critsizing and aguments I think you all should accept that we all have different opinions and ideas and that the mojority of the time you cannot change someones perspective, so instead of this you should disscuss the movie in a 'nice' fashion and not critisize each other even if you do think their out of their minds with what they're writting. But that's the way life is, you can't always change it to match what you want, except some people don't like the singing or actors...etc... but what you should all be disscussing is the movie, without the witty remarks to one another.

P.S. DOn't take this offensively, it was just a suggestion.

Sorry, I meant *accept instead I wrote except.

Each to their own, but POTO the movie was just incredible. The music, the singing, the acting, the sets were just fantastic. Rob Guest was brilliant in the Sydney production, and the soundtrack of Michael Crawford on DVD was captavating; but Gerard Butler put his own stamp on the Phantom character in the movie. They all were brilliant, as was Emmy Rossum; her voice was so strong and pure and her acting was so mature for one so young. Congrats all round.

I personally love the phantom's voice! Gerard Butler has an amazing, almost calming voice! He is a great phantom

I totally agree, I loved the movie, I've seen it over 10 times!

Me and my twin Izabelle hav cn this movie 10+ times this wk we luv it so much it rox emmy rox the bestest

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Good work, that's an achievement!

crgwllms wrote:


>Everyone knows that the Phantom doesn't sing (but plays the jungle drums >rather well), and will beat up anyone who is evil, unjust, or says bad things >in reviews without having a justified argument.


Mr Kip Walker wrote:
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> Old jungle saying from Bangalla should always be quoted as
> "an ANGRY Phantom has the strength of ten tigers", for we all
> know that the ghost who walks (man who cannot die) is really
> a sensitive new age guy, who gets on well with women,
> children, minority groups and animals (especially Devil).



Sorry for taking so long to respond to this reply, but I DO have about 500 Phantom comics to search through! And I can not find one single jungle saying that correlates to your "ANGRY Phantom has the strength of ten tigers"....How dare you call yourself 'Kip Walker'..! According to my original post, unless you can justify your statement and prove your example by digging up an issue that I don't have, expect a visit from the Ghost Who Walks...




Here's a pretty comprehensive list of Old Jungle Sayings, just to prove what a comic book nerd I can be.

The Phantom is rough with rough-necks.
When the Phantom is rough, he is very rough.
The Phantom has a thousand eyes and a thousand ears.
Call the Phantom anywhere, and he will hear.
Go into the jungle and call: the Phantom hears.
The Phantom can be a dozen places at once.
The Phantom moves as silently as a fog.
The Phantom moves as silently as the jungle cat.
The Phantom moves on cat's paws.
Great cat is quick, the Phantom is quicker.
The Phantom moves faster than a great cat, with the power of a charging bull elephant.
The Phantom strikes like a thunderbolt but moves softer than a stalking great cat.
When the Phantom strikes, lightning stands still.
The Phantom moves faster than lightning flash.
The Phantom moves faster than the eye can see.
As for shooting, the Phantom can knock the flea off the ear of a warthog at 100 paces without hurting the beast.
The Phantom has the strength of ten tigers.
Phantom made of rock.
When the jungle sleeps, the Phantom wakes.
There are times when the Phantom leaves the jungle and walks the streets of the town like an ordinary man.
You never find the Phantom, he finds you.
When the Phantom asks, you answer.
No man can refuse the voice of the Phantom.
The Phantom freezes your blood, makes cowards out of strong men.
The voice of the Phantom turns blood into ice.
The voice of the angry Phantom freezes a tiger's blood.
When the Phantom is angry, tiger's blood chills.
When the Phantom is angry, the lion trembles.
When the Phantom is angry, the jungle shakes.
When the Phantom is angry, his blows sound like thunder.
The Phantom's fists dart like a bee, hit like a bull elephant.
The Phantom's steel hands can break men like straws.
When the Phantom scares them, they stay scared.
Better to stare into the tiger's eyes than into the cold eyes of the angry Phantom.
The Phantom's fury is like a volcanic explosion.
Furious Phantom is a sight to behold.
Pirates to Phantom, like red flag to bull.
Only a fool crosses the Phantom.
Never take aim at the Phantom.
The Phantom has the wisdom of elephants.
The Phantom is a man of few words but wiser than Solomon.
Where the Phantom is, the law's long arm reaches even to the halls of princes.
The Phantom will never refuse a challenge.
The Phantom's life is a lonely one.
In China it is said, man who looks on Phantom's naked face must surely die.
He who sees the Phantom's face, dies a horrible death.
Man saw Phantom's face, flesh fell out of the man's bones, all at once.

Other Sayings:

Laughter can destroy the tyrant.
It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.
A whisper can go around the earth.
Biggest tree makes most noise when it falls.
He who comes to Keela Wee without love is buried there.
Nothing likes to get hit on the nose.
In Phantom country, it is said that a woman clad in jewels may walk without fear.
The Phantom's great stallion, Hero, moves on the wings of the wind.


Cheers,
Craig

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Oh dear god......

Directors, producers, someone PLEASE get Mr Williams back onto the stage and away from his comic collection before the men in white coats come to take him away....

Ok, whilst I have not read each and every one of the earlier comments I have scanned them at random.

There are a few points I would like to make:

1. Rossum is hardly comparable to Brightman (or Prior for that matter) for a number of reasons (and before you get angry at me, read on, i don't mean it how it sounds).

Firstly, the role was written for Brightman, that is why it suits her voice so well, it was tailored to it. Yet even for her it was an extremely difficult role (in fact it was stipulated that in every city the stage show is performed in there must be two performers to play the role of Christine (so the main one can rest 2 days per week) because it is such a vocally demanding part.

Secondly, the main difference in their performances lies in the difference between mediums. Film is very different to stage, so the performances (and performers) must differ likewise. Although, I must admit that there was no need for the film role of Christine to differ quite so much.



2. This may be jsut my oppinion, but in my experience, stage shows tend to out do there film counterparts as far as the experience goes (perhaps this is the major difference between mass media and live performances - think about it, would you rather listen to the latest album by your favourite band/artist, or seem them in-person, in-concert? Would you rather look at the Mona Lisa whilst standing in the Louvre, or look at a photograph of it in an art book?). For me this can be explained as being because when you see a live performance you become a part of the show - and this is especially true for Phantom, where at some parts in the show you are actually sitting where the audience would sit in the fictional Paris Opera House.


So whilst it seems many people are disappointed with the film version of the Phantom, I think it may be a good idea to view the to media separately rather than compare them and judge them against each other.

on a different note i went to see phantom on the west end and the high note christine hits in "wishing you were somehow here again" was RECORDED!!! can you believe it, what a crock of you know what... the show was fantastic otherwise but i was so dissapointed... still i guess in the business of make believe what can you expect!?!

walter hartright wrote:
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> on a different note i went to see phantom on the west end and
> the high note christine hits in "wishing you were somehow
> here again" was RECORDED!!! can you believe it, what a crock
> of you know what... the show was fantastic otherwise but i
> was so dissapointed... still i guess in the business of make
> believe what can you expect!?!



This could have been for a number of reasons....probably a back up because of vocal tiredness. Voices get strained during a long season and they need to ensure that damage won't occur to affect the rest of the season.

In live concert footage of Billy Joel singing 'An Innocent Man' you can tell it's one of his back up singers singing the high notes of "I am..." He could obviously manage it on a recording but not night after night in a concert setting.

I did the same thing once in a stage rock musical called 'Living In The Seventis' where my voice was raw after one matinee show and in the evening I couldn't hit the high rough notes in one of the rock songs. I could do everything else including falsetto, but for that one song our drummer sang several lines. With my mouth hidden behind the stage mic it was only half obvious that I wasn't singing.


Freddie Mercury and Queen used to leave the stage during the operatic aria part of Bohemian Rhapsody, and play the recorded version off the LP for two minutes. They could not have reproduced it live, because it was mostly Freddie and some of Roger multi-tracked. It might have been the first use of kareoke onstage, because the audience didn't seem to mind, they'd all just sing along.


Cheers,
Craig

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No its not new. In my career as a muso in the US I played in many backing bands where it is routine on tour for voice substitution to take place.

Pitch controllers, delay markers and pip timers are all tools to keep the artist(s) in key, on time and is routine as is voice layering "live" in real time.

Our expectations are fueled by the electronic glitz of dvd and so "live" performances have to be "adjusted" in many cases for the reasons that Craig states.

Of course, some performances are adjusted because the artists (LOL) are so bloody untalented they cant actually perform at all. And yes I have played with them.