2008 Finley Award Winners
Sun, 18 Jan 2009, 02:45 pmKimberley93 posts in thread
2008 Finley Award Winners
Sun, 18 Jan 2009, 02:45 pmCertificates for Finley awards 2008
For coping with a difficult script - Judith Lauhehr, What Are Little Girls Made Of, Kwinana Theatre Workshop
For Comic timing . Susannah Devenish and Robert Whyte, How the Other Half Loves, Harbour
For impressive and balletic sock removal skills, Gordon Park for
Bedfull of Foreigners Wanneroo Repertory.
Make up certificate for Bobby Chapman, Malita Morrison, Judy Sarcia for Edwin Drood , Roleystone.
Best Staged Accident : Matt Sheehey , “This is Our Youth” , Blak Yak
Most energetic villain performance in a pantomime” Graham Miles for Aladdin, KADS
Most impressive prop on stage this year: the Jolly Roger, Peter Pan, Darlington Theatre Players
For practical lighting co ordination – Gaslight, John Spurling, Old Mill Theatre
For Atmospheric lighting – John Woolrych, “bare” Playlovers
For sound coordination – Dan Mitton and Norm Kirton for Peter Pan , Darlington Theatre Players
Most sensitive and moving characterisation – Chris Bedding, Amigos, Garrick Theatre.
For perfectly timed comedy: the cast of “ How about That” at Garrick Theatre.
Best Actor
Winner: Alex Jones : This is our Youth – Blak Yak Theatre.
Best Actress
Winner: Kristen Berry: Deus Ex Quanta: Blak Yak Theatre.
David Crewes Award for Excellence in Set Design and Construction
Winner: Suddenly at Home: Melville Theatre Company
Best Costumes
Winner: Venetian Twins: Old Mill Theatre.
Best Choreography
Winner: Jess Dun, Bullet Betty Vareska: The Directive of Six: UDS
Best Other than Lead Male:
Winner: Phil Barnett: The Sum of Us: Old Mill Theatre.
Best Other than Lead Female:
Winner: Barbara Reynolds : Amys View KADS
Best Director
Winner: Teresa Felvus: Deckchairs: KTW
Mary Webb Award for Direction of A Musical
Winner: Alex McLennan: Hot Mikado : Wanneroo Rep.
Elizabeth Crewes Award: Old Mill Theatre.
Sheila Buchanan Award: Stage Left Theatre Troupe, Goldfields for innovation and creation of concept.
Brian Maddocks Youth Award: Jono Hopkins, Alive In Wonderland, Stirling Players
Best Musical Direction;
Winner: John McPherson : Bullet Betty Vareska:The Directive of Six UDS
Yvonne Lynch Award for Outstanding Breakthrough Performance:
Winner: Michael Abercrombie: Bullet Betty Vareska: The Directive of Six: UDS
Best Musical theatre Performer:
Winner: Leo Dounsborough: the Mystery of Edwin Drood: Roleystone
Top Ten Plays
Jake’s Women: Old Mill
Much Ado about Nothing: GRADS
Venetian Twins: Old Mill
Butterflies are Free: Marloo
Deckchairs: KTW
Wuthering Heights: Harbour theatre
The sum of Us: Old Mill
This is our Youth . Blak Yak
Dangerous Obsession: Old Mill
How the Other Half Loves: Harbour
Top three Plays in order
1. Deckchairs: KTW
2. The Sum of us: Old Mill Theatre
3. Butterflies are Free: Darlington Theatre Players
Top Five Musicals
Hot Mikado , Wanneroo Rep
The Mystery of Edwin Drood: Roleystone
Fame: Wanneroo Rep
Bare: Playlovers
Bullet Betty Vareska, The Directive of Six: UDS
Top three Musicals in Order
1.Bare: Playlovers
2. Fame: Wanneroo Rep
3. Bullet Betty Vareska, The Directive of Six; UDS
jeffhansenMon, 26 Jan 2009, 12:34 pm
Adjudicators
I think those who put their hands up to be adjudicators, must either
1. Love the theatre.
2. Be social philanthropists who want to give their all to theatre
or
3. Be crazy
These (currently) 4 people see most of the 50+ productions entered throughout the year, not for pleasure, but to sit in judgement. I can only imagine that it is a much different experience to watch a play for the purpose of producing an adjudication, than to watch it for enjoyment.
I'm guessing they sit through some appalling productions throughout the year as well - no leaving at interval for these people.
To Kerri, Ken, Graeme and Sue, thanks for your efforts over the last 12 months, and I look forward to seeing Kerri and 3 new faces at the theatre during 2009.
www.meltheco.org.au
Walter PlingeMon, 26 Jan 2009, 12:37 pm
I'm not casting slurs on
I'm not casting slurs on volunteer adjudicators - quite the opposite. I'm questioning why there is one rule for full length plays and another for one act plays. If you can find people that dedicated for a whole year, surely you can find people that dedicated for one weekend who don't require payment? I'm just wondering if the money paid for the DramaFest adjudicator couldn't be better channelled into something else. The Finley Awards prove you don't need to pay someone; so why pay someone for DramaFest (and the South West Drama Festival)?
Walter PlingeMon, 26 Jan 2009, 12:50 pm
If she changes her mind
If she changes her mind that easily, what does that say about her as an adjudicator? Just when we think the world's changing for the better... more mediocrity for 2009.
jmuzzTue, 27 Jan 2009, 11:28 am
The simple answer
The simple answer to that question Josephine is that there are full length plays running at some clubs over that weekend that require adjudication by the ITA adjudicators.
The other answer is that the adjudicators deserve some time away from adjudicating everything and to ask them to sit through 3 packed days of one act plays and a Youth fest on top of what they've already done is a bit steep.
The third answer is that the One Act festival provides the chance for Jarrod and Kerri to workshop possible future ITA adjudicators by having them sit in on certain plays, adjudicate, and from there provide those "adjudicators in training" feedback and coaching on their adjudication. (that's long-winded I know but I think you get the idea).
The fourth answer is that the existing adjudicators can pick up ideas on technique and feedback from a professional - it's always a good idea to take a step back and aharpen your skills by looking at how others operate in the same environment who may have had a deal more experience.
As regards the Southwest festival, that's run by Bunbury Little Theatre and isn't an ITA event so that's your answer as regards that particular venture.
Hope this helps :)
jmuzzTue, 27 Jan 2009, 11:29 am
I may be wrong....
...but wasn't there water and softdrinks available downstairs?
Walter PlingeTue, 27 Jan 2009, 12:02 pm
I was actually suggesting
I was actually suggesting different adjudicators for DramaFest, not necessarily the same Finley Award judges. That would avoid some of the problems you've noted above.
Walter PlingeTue, 27 Jan 2009, 12:28 pm
Yes but the bar remained
Yes but the bar remained open after downstairs closed, so therefore water was no longer available, contravening the regulations as stated above.
jmuzzTue, 27 Jan 2009, 02:41 pm
Nice idea Jospehine
I guess the problem is that the ITA have a helluva task getting just 4 people to be adjudicators. Getting additional people to volunteer may prove very difficult.
I still like having a professional as adjudicator for that particular festival for some of the other reasons I've outlined (a chance to skill up potential adjudicators, etc).
I'm not sure what you mean by 'problems' - there certainly isn't any problem with Dramafest that I can see and as regards the Finley awards and the barbs aimed at the adjudicator panel and Kerri in particular it seems clear these came from a few tiny-minded people who haven't learned to play nicely in the adult world. That's the prerogative of those people I guess and that seems to be the only problem. It wouldn't be fixed if we had a panel of entirely different adjudicators - those people would still complain and use words such as 'bias' because they didn't get their own way. That's human nature and we ain't got a cure for it.
Anyway, I digress - I think the use of a professional at Dramafest works well and the revenue raised from the festival more than covers the adjudicator fee.
Given Dramafest has historically operated on a reasonably healthy profit, there is money to kick toward the cost of other ITA ventures such as the Finley awards but I DON'T accept that payment of an adjudicator at Dramafest should be dropped in favour of boosting the bottom-line profit simply to supplement other ITA initiatives such as the Finleys. Let those aspects of the ITA look after themselves because we can't always bank on Dramafest making a profit every year.
If we look at the ITA as a business model, any part of that model that suffers financially (and I'm not suggesting the Finleys do) should be looked at closely and the fees associated with that part of the venture raised to cover costs. That's good financial management.
If there is any part of the ITA finances that I would like to see supplemented by any retained profits made from it's festivals, it would be the administrative side which, with raising of rents and insurance premiums in recent years, is skyrocketing. That would at least mean that any increase in club subscription fees to the ITA could be kept as low as possible. As a former treasurer that's my opinion anyway.
To sum up, I guess I'm of the opinion that if it ain't broke, it don't need fixing.
Walter PlingeTue, 27 Jan 2009, 04:06 pm
There shouldn't be one rule
There shouldn't be one rule for one act plays and another for full length plays. That's the point Josephine is trying to make. You're more likely to find people to volunteer as an adjudicator for just a weekend rather than a whole year.
Business that say "we've always done it that way" are usually the ones that end up failing.
JustSuseTue, 27 Jan 2009, 06:13 pm
That would make sense IF
Your argument that ' There shouldn't be one rule for one act plays and another for full length plays' would make sense if they were both part of the same competition - but they're not. They are two totally different things.
Try reading Muzza's postings again. He has already explained very clearly and succintly what the difficulties are.
The other point that no-one has made as yet is that having someone from the world of professional theatre adjudicating the Dramafest gives them a chance to see who's around in amateur theatre that might be worth considering for a professional role with one of their companies, and it gives us, as amateurs, a chance to make some contacts with those in the professional arena.
jmuzzTue, 27 Jan 2009, 06:36 pm
Read my post again
Did you not read what I said Eric?
I clearly explained that the Dramafest weekend is used as a training ground for budding adjudicators. You don't just wake up one morning and say "I think I'd like to adjudicate" and you're suddenly blessed with the skills to do so. It takes mentoring and what better than to have past or present adjudicators and the benefit of a professional's eye and their commentary to gain that experience.
I would also like to challenge you on your assertion that more people are likely to volunteer if it's only a weekend. The sad fact is that although we offer people the opportunity to show their interest in becoming adjudicators by attending the course at Dramafest, the numbers are very thin on the ground. As a generalisation I'd say that when you ask people to volunteer for any role that isn't onstage, you're often struggling to find volunteers. As proof of this, look no further than Kerri. You all seem to think the poor lady clings to power desperately. The ONLY reason Kerri remains an adjudicator is because there aren't a plethora of volunteers. And, if they're only willing to give up a weekend, how good could they be? You only get good at something by doing it time and again. If you'd be happy to have someone rock up with no ongoing experience and adjudicate your performance, I'm happy for you. You would be in the minority I'd suspect.
As for you saying "Business that say "we've always done it that way" are usually the ones that end up failing.", that irks me. The best businesses are those that have tried or considered other ways of doing things and have learned from their past mistakes. I politely suggest that that is how the ITA has arrived at the process it follows and it's constantly under review as highlighted by the changes to the Finley Awards format this year. If you want to fire around facts then consider this. 2 thirds of businesses fail within the first 12 - 18 months. The ITA has been around for a number of years. I myself have worked in finance for 25 years and in my professional opinion, there ain't a lot I'd do differently. The ITA also benefits from having a qualified accountant resident on it's committee and with any luck he might be on the committee this year as well.
The thing that irks me is that you haven't rebutted with anything factual or challenging to my comments. No offense Eric but I think you need to read my posts again.
Cheers
jmuzzTue, 27 Jan 2009, 06:45 pm
Oh...and another thing....
Why not? Why can't we use different ways of adjudicating full length and one act plays? I haven't heard of one club complaining about that process and the clubs ARE the ITA.
I've already promulgated the reasons why but it strikes me as amusing that the ITA is accused of being set in it's ways when this is an obvious example of diversification.
Hey, if you would like to ask the adjudicators to do the One Act Festival as well, be my guest. Given that some of them already help (Kerri often acts as "minder/gopher" for the adjudicator) and others like to relax and actually watch plays without having to write a dissertation, I wish you luck.
Seeing as we don't pay them to give up their long weekend, I can guess what the answer may be and who could blame them.
Happy to address any cogent arguments on the topic but I think/hope I've addressed the issues raised.
TylerJWed, 28 Jan 2009, 05:33 pm
The ITA committee did make
The ITA committee did make water available for those who requested it, although they were not selling bottled water.
The committee also requested for the downstairs kiosk to remain open after the show, and were under the impression that it would be -- this of course didn't happen on the night though. Rest assured more attention will be paid to making sure non-alcoholic beverages are available before AND after the show for next year :)
KimberleyWed, 28 Jan 2009, 11:59 pm
Clarification
To add to Tyler's comment above, there was a miscommunication within the committee, in our specific needs not being comminicated to the venue.
We would like to thank Lady Wardle Performing Arts Centre, especially manager Lars Jensen for the fantastic assistance with all aspects of the evening.
Any big event involving multiple organisations (and volunteers) is liable to have teething problems, I am sure that we will get it right soon.
Walter PlingeThu, 29 Jan 2009, 08:40 am
And hopefully you won't get
And hopefully you won't get arrested or fined for breaching Responsible Service of Alcohol rules.
jmuzzThu, 29 Jan 2009, 09:39 am
Can we have an end to this?
Seems like some people are taking the opportunity to rub salt in the wounds here. Clearly there was an error stemming from a miscommunication between the ITA and the venue itself. The belief was that water would be freely available and I'm guessing that next year the simple fix will be having jugs of tap water available in the bar area.
Alternatively, if people want a crucifixion about this issue I guess we could just do away with service of alcohol all together?
How about we just ban community theatre in Perth? That would save an awful lot of volunteers time and money wouldn't it? And it would certainly ensure we don't have a repeat of the problem.
Too radical?
How about the simple solution - accept the apology in the good grace it was given and SHUT THE HELL UP!!!
Putting things in perspective when all the facts are known can be a difficult concept but God forbid we apply common sense to any issue anymore. It's so much easier when you're not creative to point the finger at those who are and tear down their efforts with your one liners isn't it Teetotaller? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone - I guess it must be nice to have never made a mistake in your life.
Thank God we have clearly defined rules in place for everything these days so that we can delegate any personal responsibility to others. If the world was clear of idiots and the pernicious and invasive influence of conservative religious zealots perhaps we would have to accept responsibility for our actions like we used to not so long ago and legislation such as Responsible Service of Alcohol wouldn't be needed!
Let it go teetotaller and your ilk - you're giving me a hangover.
Walter PlingeFri, 30 Jan 2009, 03:06 pm
Normally, jmuzz, I do agree
Normally, jmuzz, I do agree with what you say, but I think this post was a bit off.
Earlier it was stated that this is the first year that this has happened. I went to the Finleys in both 2008 and 2009 and both times it was at the same venue and both times, downstairs closed after intermission. Both times, I even asked after the show if I could buy anything non alcoholic and was told no, downstairs was shut. I appreciate that Kimberley addressed that point and said some people were given water, I'm just saying that not everyone was. So this isn't an isolated event with teething issues, it's happened 2 years that I know of, but as I didn't attend the Finleys previously can't say how long it has happened for.
I could definitely understand it being the other way around and only serving non-alcoholic beverages after intermission, but you must admit that being unable to buy only alcohol around the time when everyone is driving home, is a bit strange.
However, please don't think I'm kicking up a fuss and looking up various authorities to report this to - I'm not. I just got the impression from your post that you think all us non-drinkers are self-righteous and whiny. We're not all like that. And I can firmly get on board with the idea that this is only the 2nd year it's happened, and the first time no one spoke up, but now someone has everyone else is jumping on the bandwagon going "yeah our rights are surely being impinged upon somehow!" (this message board surely doesn't seem to bring out the best in people) and I'm confident that now it's been mentioned, it'll change.
This is a very verbose way of saying: It's happened more than has been mentioned, even though I'm discussing it I'm not complaining, hoping it gets sorted next year, please don't hate all us non-drinkers.
Walter PlingeFri, 30 Jan 2009, 03:59 pm
I wonder if she'll tell the
I wonder if she'll tell the other judges what to think this year as well?
jmuzzFri, 30 Jan 2009, 04:50 pm
Point taken Le anne
I certainly have nothing against non-drinkers and you don't come off as self-righteous and whiny - quite the opposite in fact. What I took issue with was the TONE of tee-totaller's post AFTER there had been both an apology and explanation. I'm aware it's happened two years running - last year they didn't serve non-alcoholic beverage until the interval by which time we had attendees and performers gasping for water. This year I believe they clarified with the venue that non alcoholic drinks would be served before the interval only to have them shut down service AFTER the interval. Seems you can't win.
Apologies if my post upset you. I trust you can take from what I'm saying that I wasn't suggesting non-drinkers whinge a lot. I simply think some people have rather enjoyed making Kimberley and the ITA squirm on this issue because they're the sort of people who used to pull the wings off flys as children. That's why I won't withdraw the post. I hate bullies.
KimberleyFri, 30 Jan 2009, 05:45 pm
Leanne
I am a non drinker too and although I was not on the committee "last year" I was aware of the problem and we did try to address it. We spent probably a good hour of committee meeting time addressing it and making contingency plans if the kiosk was not to be open.
Lets go into details, as people are not settling for "We're sorry."
The committee member talking to the venue either misunderstood our instructions or misunderstood what the venue said to her because the instruction the bulk of the committee received was - "Don't worry about the back up plans, the kiosk will stay open." (The venue didn't say that- but this is what our lovely lady thought. Although she looks like an angel and has an angelic personality she is in fact human and fallible.)
Yes. We stuffed up. Again, we are sorry. I had done a lot of running around that night. I would have loved a Coke myself.
LORNA MACKIESat, 31 Jan 2009, 05:44 pm
ITA AGM
Note, these are my personal comments, not on behalf of it ITA committee -
Just to reiterate to everyone that the ITA exits for it's members, and the committee is comprised of volunteers from the Perth theatre community, as are the adjudicators. Quite simply, if you disagree with the way something is being done, get up and do something about it. That means AT A MINIMUM being willing to either put your name to a comment (thanks to those of you who have the strength of conviction to do so), but better yet, come along to the ITA AGM in February.
Please, healthy, constructive debate is welcomed, and more so people who are willing to put their money and/or time where their mouth is and get involved. No organisation in the world universally agrees, and it is through a process of ongoing debate that things evolve and hopefully get better. Just to be crystal clear, slandering people for their opinions does not constitute "healthy, constructive debate".
Furthermore, for those of you that are questioning the adjudication methods applied, the ITA ran a series of adjudication courses this year, which were open to everyone that wanted to attend. These courses had the dual aims of attempting to inform and train potential adjudicators, but also to clarify the adjudication system for those that wanted to listen. How many of you that are claiming the adjudications were unfair or biased actually attended these sessions provided? Maybe if you had you might understand how the adjudications are arrived at a little better, as there is obviously a lot of confusion about how the results are achived.
NormaSat, 31 Jan 2009, 06:41 pm
ITA AGM
Well said Lorna,
And, please note all critics, it is the ITA who negotiated the Ignite grant of four hundred thousand dollars for local community theatres to improve facitities etc.
What did all you critics do to help??
Walter PlingeMon, 2 Feb 2009, 04:43 pm
Well maybe certain ITA
Well maybe certain ITA judges shouldnte be telling people after the night is over that the voting seemed to come from one person .... right from the horses mouth .... so even if they went on judging courses why are the Finley judges saying that one person had the power and the final say ... I think having a Gala night were all the musicals and shows of one year can get together and just have a really good show and scrap the awards. People turn what should be harmless amatuer fun into such a serious competition. By doing a gala event there is no competition and you can still showcase the young talent to the "professionals". You save money on Adudicators the Adudicators dont get abused and we raise the same money for the ITA..... would seem like the smart thing to do dont ya think
Walter PlingeTue, 3 Feb 2009, 10:51 am
well clearly the ITA dont
well clearly the ITA dont want feedback and constructive critisism as my ideas were deleted and dismissed off the post and i didnt slander or abuse anyone
jmuzzTue, 3 Feb 2009, 11:35 am
If you're referring to the related thread.....
....I suspect it was deleted because Grant was advised that failure to do so may result in legal action. Whatever the reasons, it has nothing to do with the ITA.
Grant, could you clarify?
If you're referring to this thread, read on anyway.
I suggest you seek clarification before you dump on the ITA. Given the ITA seems to be the blame for everything bar the Global Credit Crisis (and I'm sure there is a Walter or two who is working to prove a link) the question needs asking - If you think the ITA is doing things wrong, what alternative structure would you suggest (practical suggestions only please), why aren't you volunteering to become part of the committee to see in your brave new vision for the community theatre future, and why don't you feel so strongly about your ideas that you are prepared to actually put your name to them?
People complain that their "ideas" are dismissed or shot down by the "ITA" on this website, that they aren't taken seriously, that there is a clique conspiracy.
For a start, the ITA doesn't run this site - any Walter can post (which is rapidly proving to be it's undoing). The ITA neither monitors or moderates any of the comments. Removal of any comments is solely the responsibility of the non-ITA appointed web administrator who is VERY loathe to delete anything as he believes it discourages free speech.
However, seeing as you have spoken, how can ANYONE take you seriously if you aren't prepared to put your name to your ideas? How can anyone believe you're not just another faceless trouble-making Walter? That's your problem, not the ITAs or anyone elses. It was YOUR decision.
Y'see what separates those who have identities behind their handle and are prepared to display them from the Walters of this world is that they seem (as a general rule) to be less inclined to fire off smart-arse one-liners. They seem to be the very people who actually put in and do the work in community theatre as opposed to sitting back and saying grandly "You're doing it all wrong!".
So, here's a tip - want to taken seriously? Put your name up there in lights and make your argument cogent and constructive. I'll be the FIRST to defend you and your right to say whatever you want to.....as long as it's put politely, sensibly and you have the courage of your convictions.
With regard that related thread, David Wilding had every right to say what he said....right up until he took an emotive pot-shot at someone. It wasn't needed - he could have made his argument without doing that. That was rude and it deserved the scorn it got and made everything else he said seem open to question.
With regard your post - "clearly the ITA don't want feedback and constructive criticism" - y'see, emotive, incorrect, and unsupported. You didn't seek clarification, your suspicions are wrong because the ITA doesn't run the site, and it therefore makes you sound like you have an axe to grind and no real argument to bring.
There are plenty of people here willing to listen to you - just ground your comments in fact, not fantasy. Seek clarification in need but don't get on your high horse and deliver a spray unless you've thought it through first.
LogosTue, 3 Feb 2009, 04:18 pm
First of all I think I may
First of all I think I may have killed the other thread. I didn't mean to. (That sounds weak doesn't it.) I expressed an opinion using my moderating field and the whole damn thing disappeared. It must have been teetering on the brink. If I need to apologise to someone please accept this as my apology.
Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing.
www.tonymoore.id.au
Robert WhyteTue, 3 Feb 2009, 05:40 pm
No Tony, it wasnt you,
No Tony, it wasnt you, there were other hands at work there.
Grant MalcolmTue, 3 Feb 2009, 10:36 pm
Popping bubbles
Hate to pop your bubbles Jmuzz and Robert but Logos is entirely correct.
Logos' vote last night was sufficient to tip the DavidWilding39 post into oblivion.
For those that are interested, there's a complex weighting system in place for votes. A post starts with a certain number of points depending on whether it was contributed by a new member, a contributor, editor or admin. A range of positive and negative vote values are available when moderating. Votes from the members with various roles also vary in value. The value of all votes is added together. If a post has sufficient votes, its score may eventually reach a threshold where the post is promoted to the home page. However, if it is given negative votes, as with the DavidWilding39 post, it can be voted out of existence.
I should probably provide a little barometer that lets people know when a post or comment is about to disappear or be promoted and then you can decide whether you want your vote to tip it one way or the other.... hmmm....
Jmuzz wrote:
> For a start, the ITA doesn't run this site -
> any Walter can post (which
is rapidly proving to be
> it's undoing). The ITA neither monitors or
moderates
> any of the comments. Removal of any comments is
> solely the
responsibility of the non-ITA appointed web
> administrator who is VERY
loathe to delete anything as
> he believes it discourages free speech.
Strictly speaking Jmuzz is correct that the ITA has little if anything to do with the administration of this site. While I originally developed this site nearly 11 years ago to further some of the objectives of the ITA, the particular objectives in question were always bigger and broader than the ITA membership itself and the site reflects this broader scope.
However, while I support freedom of expression, I don't regard myself as an advocate of speech free from responsibility. While I argue occasionally for tolerance of alternative views and modes of expression, my reasons for only deleting content in response to specific and particular complaints and not deleting anything at a personal whim are far more practical. Like the disclaimer says, if you post it - it's your responsibility. If you don't like something someone says here, complain to me and I'll remove it. That's a responsibility I'm willing to fulfill.
In case a very few people were too busy whinging about awards to notice, there's an awful lot of other productive and useful things happening on this site. In the past week alone 42 new events and topics and more than 180 comments were added! That's about thirty new things per day.
So enough of this. Go and join a useful thread:
http://www.theatre.asn.au/billboard_bulletins/10_things_i_love_about_the_ita
:-)
Cheers
Grant
--
Director, actor and administrator of this website
jmuzzWed, 4 Feb 2009, 12:14 am
Ha ha ha....and oops
I'm sorry Logos....I'm not laughing at you but as theatre Australias defender of free speech it is (c'mon, you gotta admit it) ironic that your vote tipped the whole thread into oblivion. That is the funniest thing I've read on here in God knows how long.....and I'm really sorry I'm laughing about it...."snigger". A refreshing tipple of your choice sir for daring to laugh at your discomfort but you gotta admit....damn funny!!! There is hope for this site yet.
Aw c'mon Tony....it's bloody funny and u know it!!!!
(wipes tears from his eyes)
Thanks for clarifying Grant.
Y'see folks, it was an eastern stater with clumsy fingers - nothing more. No conspiracy. Ah, I'm wasting my breath. In 90's speak - the Mulders will have their theories. Logos is undoubtedly on the ITA payroll as a thread assassin.
Bwah-hahahahahahahaha.
Sorry for suggesting it may be something more but at least I sought clarification. Take heed Walter unlimited
Robert WhyteWed, 4 Feb 2009, 03:36 am
Thanks Grant,I think its
Thanks Grant,
I think its bloody funny also, considering the pathetic way the thread was started to begin with.
Logos, if you ever come to Perth I will buy you a drink for making my year.
Cheers all
Robert :)
LogosWed, 4 Feb 2009, 08:13 am
Indeed
Gee shucks folks
(Takes Ironic bow to left and right while blowing kisses to his admiring fans)
I admit it is mildly ironic that I should be the one to destroy a thread. I rarely moderate although I did another one this morning. and it was actually one of the stupider posts I meant to moderate. I went back up to read the original post again and must have moderated without thinking went back and "Hey Presto"
Oh well. I will be more careful in future.
I decided to identify myself in order to divert any more attacks on Kerry Hilton or any of the rest of you. It would have been cowardly to not take the heat myself.
If any of you make it to Adelaide for the Fringe and care to attend my show "Boiled Cabbage" I will happily share a tipple with you at the local hostelry which happens to be less than a minutes walk from my theatre.
Is that all there is? Well if that's all there is my friend, then let's keep dancing.
www.tonymoore.id.au
devils advocateFri, 6 Feb 2009, 08:09 am
Sorry, I'm a little
Sorry, I'm a little slow...the finleys are awards given to those partaking in Community Theatre?
Walter PlingeFri, 6 Feb 2009, 08:37 am
That is correct. And there
That is correct. And there should be an apostrophe in "devil's".
devils advocateFri, 6 Feb 2009, 11:11 pm
an apostrophe? why did you
an apostrophe? why did you feel it necessary to say that?
crgwllmsSat, 7 Feb 2009, 05:44 am
Apostle's advocate
Why? Can't you advocate for several devils? And not necessarily belong to them, singular or plural?
There are plenty of devils around here who'll argue against you.
Cheers,
Craig
~<8>-/====\---------
crgwllmsSat, 7 Feb 2009, 06:04 am
Responsible posting
It's probably just a well that a post with such a negative response has been removed from the site, although it made it quite confusing when I was trying to search for the thread to refer to something. (and what then is the point of my filter setting which allows me to see 'all the rubbish'?)
But something I find odd about it is that knowing the post CAN be voted into obscurity actually lessens the responsibility anyone has to post considerately, and puts all the onus on the readers.
If you knew every stupid thing you wrote would remain here to warn people from ever taking you seriously, that in itself is a form of moderation.
Cheers,
Craig
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Walter PlingeSat, 7 Feb 2009, 09:05 am
If there were several, the
If there were several, the apostrophe would come after the S.
Grant MalcolmSat, 7 Feb 2009, 09:45 am
All care
crgwllms enquired:
> what then is the point of my filter setting which
> allows me to see 'all the rubbish'?
Occasionally, when it's really smelly, we take out the trash.
:-)
> knowing the post CAN be voted into obscurity
> actually lessens the
responsibility anyone has to
> post considerately, and puts all the onus
on the readers
I don't entirely agree. The community frequenting the site has no choice in what individuals caused to be published here.
There can be no question that the person posting a message is responsible for causing that information to be posted.
Does the fact that others may eventually pick up my rubbish and put it in the bin lessen my responsibility for littering?
The only _requirement_ on readers is that if they see something they regard as illegal, unauthorised or defamatory, they make a complaint to me.
> If you knew every stupid thing you wrote would
> remain here to warn
people from ever taking you
> seriously, that in itself is a form of
moderation.
If only all people lived such considered and self aware lives!
I regularly receive requests from people upset to discover that something they posted here long ago comes up in Google when they're ego-surfing and demand that I look up and remove all references to them. It's a little like having a letter to the editor of the paper published and then demanding that the letter be unpublished.
"Yes, I wrote it and that is my name but I no longer want to be associated with what I wrote."
Far better, as crgwllms suggests, to think carefully about everything you write - particularly on the Internet.
Thank you Craig.
Regards
Grant
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Director, actor and administrator of this website
crgwllmsMon, 9 Feb 2009, 09:38 am
Sympathy for the Devils
Yes, I'm aware of that, but only if the advocacy belonged to the devils, plural.
And like you said, there should be an apostrophe before the 's' if it belonged to the devil, singular.
But you can be someone who advocates for devils without being the advocate that belongs to any of them, in which case no apostrophe is necessary.
Or like me, you might enjoy being a devil while advocating, in which case no 's' is necessary either.
Cheers,
The devil advocate.
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Freddie BadgeryMon, 9 Feb 2009, 02:09 pm
Advocating responsible drinking
And for when all you advocating devils like to get tiddly, why not try a bottle of:
Devils Advocaat!
Yes, only Devil's Advocaat leaves you feeling like a dark prince all night long.
freddie
the rocking jedi badger
Don CallisonMon, 9 Feb 2009, 06:44 pm
goes well with devilled
goes well with devilled avocado
Walter PlingeThu, 12 Feb 2009, 01:58 pm
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''''''''''''''''''''''''''' enough fuck apostrafeeees